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5 hours ago, Farmall1066 said:

Sorry to hear about your setbacks!! But it’s good you have a good usable donor!! This has been a very interesting topic to watch!! The rollers look great!!! 
 

Happy thanksgiving Tony!!!! 

    Thank You , Yes set back kind of disappointing only because I am so tired of dismantling and dealing with rust & rotten bolts , Getting antsy to see progress going together.

    We have made lot of progress as far as repairs and rebuilds but the baler itself keeps shrinking, lol.

       I suspected that this gear housing had issues but not as many as we found upon closer inspection.

       I am actually excited that the donor housing will go back with what looks like perfect gears and all new bearings and seals and a chance at blasting & priming all sides of housing , brackets, and frame.

      Today spent hours studying the  parts and owners manual and books from previous I.H. models trying to familiarized my self better with the intricacies of this particular machine.

   Also sorted and made drawings & measurements of the old decals that I could still make out on the old sheet metal and studied pictures in the parts & owners manual , So I can have them made.

      Took the needle brakes to Valley Friction for realigning and make several round brake pads used on knotters .

     Happy thanksgiving Farmall1066 and to all you visitors to this thread.

        Tony

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12/3/19 Baler therapy tues.

Cold and drizzly we had to work out side today .

Removing gear box , crank , bull gears from donor . We got them off , the gears look new and fresh with oil . The original gear box had been out of oil and instead had water and bull gear was bathing in about 5inches of water in oil pan. 
 Amazing , these parts we pulled today were probably the best usable parts on this donor. 
we cut pillar bearing off of right side frame but need to have machine shop press the crank off , it has two big bearings on gear box itself along with bull gear .
everything is filthy I will hot wash tomorrow then press old bearings off , then blast everything , then have machine shop press new bearings on . 
we also removed the three needles that were in up position but bent . Sad part it appears that these needles were new when they bent them , still had the blue & black color and parts number clearly visible on them . 
we are going to try to straighten them and salvage as a second set .

sorry not many pic’s but were fighting approaching rain ( 1st pic taken last week )and 30 years of oil & grease from a wore out Wisconsin engine that slobbered many quarts of oil all over the front 3rd of baler .

last two pics were taken after dark by the time I got them over to the wash area tonight .

tony  

 

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l would've never thought that restoring a baler would be such a big job Tony. But l guess when you actually look at it, in it's own way a baler is just as complicated as a combine, just a little smaller. l really enjoy your "Tuesday updates".

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Tony,

I have followed a couple of your threads! Awesome pictures and documentation! I had at one time thought of restoring Antique farm equipment. I think your thread will stop me from doing that!:) A couple tractor projects are enough for me! Your work is top notch!

Regards,

 Chris

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2 hours ago, sugarmaker said:

Tony,

I have followed a couple of your threads! Awesome pictures and documentation! I had at one time thought of restoring Antique farm equipment. I think your thread will stop me from doing that!:) A couple tractor projects are enough for me! Your work is top notch!

Regards,

 Chris

Thank You Chris , your too kind ! 
please do not stop from doing a restoration ! 
I started this Baler thinking it a piece of cake , I operated one like it for roughly 10 years, so remembered a lot and it seemed so simple . 
That was then , this is now .50+ years later Lol.

      These machines are much more involved then I remember plus everything is broke , wore, or rusted and fast forward to now ,no parts available or expertise to ask . 
So , I get a bit anal and throw up my hands and say take it from ground up . 
I am sure a true restorer could clean , grease , and adjust and probably have it running but I can’t , never had that talent even with my farm equipment . 
Many forms of restoring, pick your level and go for it and enjoy the process , it’s the hunt for parts and the  journey that’s the most fun .

Sincerly , 

tony

 

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17 hours ago, twostepn2001 said:

l would've never thought that restoring a baler would be such a big job Tony. But l guess when you actually look at it, in it's own way a baler is just as complicated as a combine, just a little smaller. l really enjoy your "Tuesday updates".

Thank you Twostepn, 

i got over my head on this one !

It looked so simple, and I was very familiar with it being I ran one from 1963 to 1974 .

   When we pull off one thing three trinkets have to come off before and everything is rusted frozen , so either cut bolts or scape and blast parts 
I have three to make one and I guess because there were not many made and for long , guys tried fixing themselves, making their own parts and ended up wrecking lot of stuff . 
The CALIF. Baler is just plain wore out and bale chamber rotten with hay left in it ,who knows how long . We stripped it totally and thinking it would be the restored one but it showed too much  wear.
We decided to tackle the best Nevada donor and it is not wore but they tried making that poor thing run with parts missing or home made parts and damaged gear boxes and sprockets with large unbreakable shear pins . 
The other Nevada donor was worse as far damage and filthy with white clay dried on mud and engine had been slobbering oil so everything upper half covered in dry oil .   but it’s serving as a template and donor .  I finally spent two days sessions of pressure washing.
The original Cali one is the template for the sheet metal guy and also a parts donor .

its a challenge , and I am getting nervous if we will get all these parts back the way it should ? Will it work after we are done ?. But the challenge has me fighting for a finish . 

  

Tony 

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Today , Thursday 11/5/19 , checked with sheet metal man , the bale shoot is done , only thing left is the two side shields one over  Auger belt on light side and other over the knotter chain on the heavy side.

Earlier I had talked of making a inter small wheel jack so to lift to roll onto my gooseneck . 
spent morning measuring and roll play it and decided to abandon the idea . 
I saw it done on a 55W but it’s a much narrower machine and more room for the added items .

To make this girl fit on my 102 “ trailer , I would need to remove axles  both sides then it would be 97”. 
at my age I am not going to do that much work to haul it ,mostly I'll be taking it 60 miles to Tulare , I’ll either tow it or have it hauled by a professional trucker . My friend Mel has a low boy with expandable side on it .

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1st three is the donor gear box with good gears but in need of bearings , next is a crappy pic of the bale shoot with few parts on it headed for blast and primer and last pic , right plunger crank bracket headed for blast the pillar bearing in it was stiff like it never turned . Lol

tony

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Absolutely amazing drive and determination to get it correct. This is so much neater than a restored tractor by it's self

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9 hours ago, Tonyinca said:

i got over my head on this one !

It looked so simple, and I was very familiar with it being I ran one from 1963 to 1974 .

   When we pull off one thing three trinkets have to come off before and everything is rusted frozen , so either cut bolts or scape and blast parts 
I have three to make one and I guess because there were not many made and for long , guys tried fixing themselves, making their own parts and ended up wrecking lot of stuff . 
The CALIF. Baler is just plain wore out and bale chamber rotten with hay left in it ,who knows how long . We stripped it totally and thinking it would be the restored one but it showed too much  wear.
We decided to tackle the best Nevada donor and it is not wore but they tried making that poor thing run with parts missing or home made parts and damaged gear boxes and sprockets with large unbreakable shear pins . 
The other Nevada donor was worse as far damage and filthy with white clay dried on mud and engine had been slobbering oil so everything upper half covered in dry oil .   but it’s serving as a template and donor .  I finally spent two days sessions of pressure washing.
The original Cali one is the template for the sheet metal guy and also a parts donor .

its a challenge , and I am getting nervous if we will get all these parts back the way it should ? Will it work after we are done ?. But the challenge has me fighting for a finish . 

  

Tony 

so, Tony, how many bales do you figure it will take to get your investment back thru working it?? LOL.

I gotta hand it to you, I NEVER would have enough patience to try something like this. besides, if I started, Linda would have our bank accounts emptied and be out of the country while I was still using the torch to cut out the first few bolts....

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Don't weaken! You're doing great. The wear and tear on a fair weather, irrigation country baler has to be enormous. 6-8 cuts a year probably running balls out to get done. Ton after ton after ton. I don't think I'd buy a used one.

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Tony,

 Wow those are some big castings! We don't think about all the parts in a machine like this. The hunt for parts! Yes you have the three machines to make one, Sounds about right. One of the issues is that you wont have many folks that can chime in and help you with a issue. So no support other than us cheering you on to the finish. Hate to ask but what is the final color? I see lots of yellow in the last pictures! And I assume you will do some small amount of bailing for demos??

At our local tractor club we were given a McCormick 2 row corn picker. Our president has worked on in to get it running, moving, picking, and repaired parts and some new chains. But man is it worn and tattered.

Another question which I may have missed? What was the driving reason to restor/ refurb one of these bailers? What year is this late 40's? We did not have a wire baler. Do you have a matching hay rake and mowing machine in the wings too?:)

I do agree there are many levels of restoration. I call my work RCP "Refurb, Clean ,and Paint"

Regards,

 Chris

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2 hours ago, sugarmaker said:

 

Another question which I may have missed? What was the driving reason to restor/ refurb one of these bailers? What year is this late 40's? We did not have a wire baler. Do you have a matching hay rake and mowing machine in the wings too?:)

 

 

Chris, the answer to your first two questions can be found in Tony's very first post in this topic. https://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/topic/121386-my-new-to-me-ih-71-three-wire-baler-arrived/

 

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14 hours ago, Farmall1066 said:

That’s one **** of an undertaking Tony!!! I sure can’t wait to see this baler complete!! You do a meticulous job with all your equipment!!! 

Are you going to be at the Huron Red Power show in June? 
 

Blaine

 Yes , God Willing !

       Hope to have the bean cutter there and maybe one more if all goes well .

        Tony

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17 hours ago, bitty said:

Absolutely amazing drive and determination to get it correct. This is so much neater than a restored tractor by it's self

 Thank You Bitty ,

      I can't stop now ! Have too much sweat equity and money invested .

       My theory when I start a project I need to push till done because of my age and my helper and my painter ages , we are all at the age  74,75,65  respectively that if one or the other gets sick needs surgery then big chance it will not get finished or be why delated , then we forget where we are at .lol . and like I tell Carol trying to sell this project in boxes you may have to pay few dollars to get parts taken out .lol.

    Even with it done and running , the sale price would be minimal .but at least she would have a chance at recouping some of the dollars.  Its a labor of love and I love doing it .

     Tony

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14 hours ago, ny bill o said:

so, Tony, how many bales do you figure it will take to get your investment back thru working it?? LOL.

I gotta hand it to you, I NEVER would have enough patience to try something like this. besides, if I started, Linda would have our bank accounts emptied and be out of the country while I was still using the torch to cut out the first few bolts....

      Oh God Bill , Doubt I could  bale enough tons to re-coop my investment , First, small squares with wire not popular anymore in our area . Its all big bales on twine and any small squares are twine.

   As far as Carol and bank accounts , Since I sold the ranch she does all the checks so she has a running total ! lol.  However , when I sold the ranch I sold my equipment on a separate note to one of my younger employees and at the time I told Carol , "I am trading current Equipment for old little value I.H. equipment " ,The  Almond equipment payments are my tractor restoration Dollars.  Hope He does not pay me off early , I need the principle and interest to keep me going. lol.  

      Tony

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13 hours ago, sugarmaker said:

Tony,

 Wow those are some big castings! We don't think about all the parts in a machine like this. The hunt for parts! Yes you have the three machines to make one, Sounds about right. One of the issues is that you wont have many folks that can chime in and help you with a issue. So no support other than us cheering you on to the finish. Hate to ask but what is the final color? I see lots of yellow in the last pictures! And I assume you will do some small amount of bailing for demos??

At our local tractor club we were given a McCormick 2 row corn picker. Our president has worked on in to get it running, moving, picking, and repaired parts and some new chains. But man is it worn and tattered.

Another question which I may have missed? What was the driving reason to restor/ refurb one of these bailers? What year is this late 40's? We did not have a wire baler. Do you have a matching hay rake and mowing machine in the wings too?:)

I do agree there are many levels of restoration. I call my work RCP "Refurb, Clean ,and Paint"

Regards,

 Chris

Thank You Sugarmaker ,

       To answer Color , This baler is I.H. made in Stockton Calif . from 1962 to 1965  and it was yellow with black wheels , lights, and pick up reel, engine.

       Please , click on Farmall Fans 's web address above to view my complete story of what this baler means to me. In My initial posts on this thread .

       Yes , I hope to do bale day , which some of my friends do once a year in Tulare Ca. , Most of balers used are the I.H. 55W.

       I have a friend and neighbor restoring a Oliver # 101 baler about same vintage as mine , its also a three wire , and looking forward to showing along side him at Calif. Antique equipment show in 2021 and possibly baling along side him.

   Yes I have two hay mowers from the day , One a I.H.  fast hitch pitman type mower behind a Farmall C and the one we used the most with this baler a I.H. fast Hitch # 100 Balance Head mower. 

    I do not have the hay rake , We ran a I.H. three point ,PTO driven, basket rake.( don't recall the #) If I ever found one already restored, I would be very interested.

       Tony

        

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59 minutes ago, Tonyinca said:

 Yes , God Willing !

       Hope to have the bean cutter there and maybe one more if all goes well .

        Tony

Well I’m hoping I can make it there as well with number 20 1456, and my narrow front 1066.  If we both get there, it would be great to meet face to face!!! 

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11 hours ago, FarmallFan said:

Chris, the answer to your first two questions can be found in Tony's very first post in this topic. https://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/topic/121386-my-new-to-me-ih-71-three-wire-baler-arrived/

 

 Thank You , FarmallFan !

     Tony

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4 minutes ago, Farmall1066 said:

Well I’m hoping I can make it there as well with number 20 1456, and my narrow front 1066.  If we both get there, it would be great to meet face to face!!! 

 Absolutely ! Would love to meet you !

    Tony

 

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14 hours ago, Tonyinca said:

 

 

 

 

 

    I do not have the hay rake , We ran a I.H. three point ,PTO driven, basket rake.( don't recall the #) If I ever found one already restored, I would be very interested.

       Tony

        

I believe that's a #9. Also came in Fast Hitch or that may have been an earlier one. Been looking for years. No joy. Always thought that rake on a Hydro would be the slickest rake outfit going.

Also amy links to the Oliver 101?

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7 hours ago, exSW said:

I believe that's a #9. Also came in Fast Hitch or that may have been an earlier one. Been looking for years. No joy. Always thought that rake on a Hydro would be the slickest rake outfit going.

Also amy links to the Oliver 101?

  No , I'll see if Eddie lets me get some pictures of it .

 Tony

 

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On 12/6/2019 at 10:06 PM, Tonyinca said:

I do not have the hay rake , We ran a I.H. three point ,PTO driven, basket rake.( don't recall the #) If I ever found one already restored, I would be very interested.

       Tony

 

On 12/7/2019 at 12:40 PM, exSW said:

I believe that's a #9. Also came in Fast Hitch or that may have been an earlier one. Been looking for years. No joy. Always thought that rake on a Hydro would be the slickest rake outfit going.

The #9 is the only IH 3pt that I know of. Neighbor has one. The pto is messed up on it.I asked him about it and he asked if I wanted it....... too bad I don’t have a tractor with a 3pt cause I would consider it but I don’t think it would work to make a hitch for the Cub.  

Great Uncle has a 404 with a sickle bar mower that would look good it the 9 imo. 

Tony, a #9 would fit about the same time period as your 71. The rake was built in 1965 (not sure about other years tho. 

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