Tonyinca Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 7/23/20 I worked on knotter by myself today , I think it’s complete . I put it through the cycle using a pipe wrench and all seemed to operate as it should . I adjusted wire holders and twisters and strippers according to book but I am sure they will need more fine tuning before putting power to it next I will start on chamber press etc to prepare for painter, he is painting many small pieces now and I have many more to take in however , we will paint main baler frame with knotters, plunger in and chamber in tact and needle cradle in along with needle guard. Needles will be painted separately. everything else will be installed after paint still have pickup reel shaft and bushing to machine, plunger stop arm to build up and a plunger guide cleaner to make along with a drive pulley brake, more may show up as we proceed . lol. tony . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Tonyinca said: 7/23/20 I worked on knotter by myself today , I think it’s complete . I put it through the cycle using a pipe wrench and all seemed to operate as it should . I adjusted wire holders and twisters and strippers according to book but I am sure they will need more fine tuning before putting power to it next I will start on chamber press etc to prepare for painter, he is painting many small pieces now and I have many more to take in however , we will paint main baler frame with knotters, plunger in and chamber in tact and needle cradle in along with needle guard. Needles will be painted separately. everything else will be installed after paint still have pickup reel shaft and bushing to machine, plunger stop arm to build up and a plunger guide cleaner to make along with a drive pulley brake, more may show up as we proceed . lol. tony . Do you disassemble and do finish coat painted ? I guess that’s what you we’re saying. Every time I do it I have to retouch bolts All the scratches it do assemble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 What is the primer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, 560Dennis said: What is the primer? 1st question , knotter, plunger , and chamber will be painted all together , the rest will be installed after paint , YES, we get scratches, etc . but David the painter usually does touch ups. WE usually don't mess things up too much unless its an accident and I have had those. The Primer is done right after blasting , Its a Valspar industrial etch primer, its sprayed on just thick enough to keep from rusting if kept inside. Tony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 7/24/20 spent afternoon cleaning up knotter and going over baler tightening new bolts and replacing some that look bad . have lot of tightening to do on rails etc trying to get it ready to pull it 10 miles to the painter. , Hope To get can get needle carrier and guard on and spend time on adjustments. Also install chamber press here is another box load of small parts for David the painter. tony 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 7/29/20 Wow what a day John helped me today . most of our work was laying on our backs adjusting second time plunger rails exchanging few bolts that I deemed better installed gear box oil pan . Finished installing all bolts on front nose piece and undercarriage of chamber . we then installed chamber tension channels on top and bottom. we took several pieces that I had prepared to David and pick up first batch of yellow paint . He has another batch I took Monday and a batch today . he is still working on sheet metal . john and I will get together Tues 8/4 and install needle cradle and needle guard and few little items and main baler will be ready to pull to David’s for our shinny yellow. It matches very close to original and it’s a Valspar Product new formulation of single stage Poly Urathane. it’s called “Kanga Yellow “Lol. few pics of long awaited yellow drifting in tony 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 7/31/20 took more parts for painting brought home more painted parts just could not help myself , had to have a Lookie See ! tony 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 8:21 AM, 560Dennis said: Do you disassemble and do finish coat painted ? I guess that’s what you we’re saying. Every time I do it I have to retouch bolts All the scratches it do assemble Please take some video when you get time, of the knotter in operation. I think since I’ve never seen one in operation. Curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 hours ago, 560Dennis said: Please take some video when you get time, of the knotter in operation. I think since I’ve never seen one in operation. Curious Will do Tony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 8/4/20 Baler Tuesday this week. Prepared needle cradle for installation . Easier said than done, we had to remove side chamber tension channels in order to work that awkward devil into place. We then wrestled the needle cradle guard into place. once in place we find that cradle is hitting right side guard and needle brake bracket . Had us scratching our heads after trying everything we figured out right guard was bent , not noticeable to the eye but obvious. Thank God for the donor out back , we took one off laid it next to original and we had our answer . Took donor to blast and primer so David can paint it on baler. of course any piece we take off or apart that we thought did not need taking off, needs to be wire brush and rattle can I.H. primer red before re attaching. We are very close to having baler itself ready for paint, barring many set backs as todays. Few pic's Tony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Good idea ,getting a donor ugh !,well there will be Another puzzle I’m sure ! ? Glad your moving ahead now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 hours ago, 560Dennis said: Good idea ,getting a donor ugh !,well there will be Another puzzle I’m sure ! ? Glad your moving ahead now OH YES ! there will be many more as we are going back together and want everything as close as we can get it. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Tony , hard to keep track , how many donations balers involved in this project ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 15 hours ago, 560Dennis said: Tony , hard to keep track , how many donations balers involved in this project ? Started out my first found was a cali. baler from Placerville Ca. It was mostly all there but bale chamber and sprockets were wore to the bone . The old fella that owned it kept it running with a welder and home made repairs. Seeing I had some serious parts problems I placed an add in a Equipment Magazine named " AG SOURCE" put a picture of mine and asking if a donor out there. Several months after the two month add ran out I got the only phone call from a young Lady in Diamond Valley Nevada, said Her 91 year old hay growing father had two that he had rescued from a scrap yard in Utah 20 years prior setting in his bone yard. She sent pictures and I bought both. So, to answer your question ; THREE to make one . I believe I have every part except one ; A brake bracket for drive pulley , none of the three had it but I remember it enough from my 11 years running ours that I can have it made . I decided to abandon the cali baler and I am, restoring what appeared to be the better of the NV balers. WE go after the best parts on the other two. trying to keep one mostly in tack as a template. However, not following any of their adjustments because all there knotter systems were heavily damaged , including gear box also All three had stuck ruined engines but the cali engine which we are using was full of dirt from mud dabbers. Motor cleaned up with .30 over , all new valves and seats but heads were good.. I keep thinking we are there , but going back together we come across items that were not obvious in needing repair, so we have slight set backs as we proceed . We still have the pickup reel to dismantle and its going to need welding and machine work but we are saving for last. While baler is being painted. Tony 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Tonyinca said: Started out my first found was a cali. baler from Placerville Ca. It was mostly all there but bale chamber and sprockets were wore to the bone . The old fella that owned it kept it running with a welder and home made repairs. Seeing I had some serious parts problems I placed an add in a Equipment Magazine named " AG SOURCE" put a picture of mine and asking if a donor out there. Several months after the two month add ran out I got the only phone call from a young Lady in Diamond Valley Nevada, said Her 91 year old hay growing father had two that he had rescued from a scrap yard in Utah 20 years prior setting in his bone yard. She sent pictures and I bought both. So, to answer your question ; THREE to make one . I believe I have every part except one ; A brake bracket for drive pulley , none of the three had it but I remember it enough from my 11 years running ours that I can have it made . I decided to abandon the cali baler and I am, restoring what appeared to be the better of the NV balers. WE go after the best parts on the other two. trying to keep one mostly in tack as a template. However, not following any of their adjustments because all there knotter systems were heavily damaged , including gear box also All three had stuck ruined engines but the cali engine which we are using was full of dirt from mud dabbers. Motor cleaned up with .30 over , all new valves and seats but heads were good.. I keep thinking we are there , but going back together we come across items that were not obvious in needing repair, so we have slight set backs as we proceed . We still have the pickup reel to dismantle and its going to need welding and machine work but we are saving for last. While baler is being painted. I’m amazed You just can’t say enough about restorer efforts. It truly gets down to every nut and bolt. And determine to get every nut and bolt right I was thinking there enough parts to make another baler , but I’m expensive wrong ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 hours ago, 560Dennis said: I’m amazed You just can’t say enough about restorer efforts. It truly gets down to every nut and bolt. And determine to get every nut and bolt right I was thinking there enough parts to make another baler , but I’m expensive wrong ?? I had thought that perhaps not every nut and bolt would need coming off , however, one thing leads to another and just about everything has come apart and the bad part is that every time a bolt comes off its pretty well eaten with rust in middle and also every connecting or touching piece has to be either blasted of heavy wire brushed to remove rust and scale then primer . Been frustrating this week because I had eye surgery and Doc said off two weeks, No bending or lifting, and I am chomping at the bit to go get few more parts ready for painter , but they require laying underneath and lifting , Also,I cant blast or wire brush because I still have stitches in till Thursday don't want to risk infection from rust dust . lol. Hoping John can keep things going on Wednesday. Tony. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WI Dan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I signed onto this website just so I can comment on this build. A week after finding it, I've read through every page. WOW It's all I can say! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 8/13/20 Here she is ready to be steam cleaned before being towed to painter. Hopefully next Wednesday. we think we have plunger all set , we cycled the knotter, looks to be very close . we took apart all that we thought needed more shims And shimmed up . Every Thing seems to align with shimming . one minor set back is we removed needle cradle after I realized the brake pad “groves” are not suppose to be there . Lol . they looked so good I thought they were factory all this time .Lol . So we will be cutting those off and replacing new metal pads. Probably for the best David can paint cradle easier off Baler. tony 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exSW Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Beautiful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 8/19/20 Last week we thought we had it ready for cleaning . Ha Ha Ha . another little set back today . we made the plunger guide wipe and installed and noticed that it would hit gear box on plunger back stroke. we studied , went to parts book , op manual etc , nothing made since but to scratch our behinds . LOL. LOL. then, John thought let’s measure pitman arm ! .I said," Nah they all the same !" WELL! Our plunger pitman arm measured 41 inches the other two measured 44 inches. After thinking about it we remember that when we removed this arm from baler there were bad welds on one of flanges and wiper was missing from plunger . Previous owner cut back arm couple inches to clean up break when he Re welded his broken plunger arm flange . luckily ,we did not have to remove plunger to remove arm but it was a body , arms , finger twister to get to bolts in plunger replaced plunger pitman arm with another we had prepared and walla perfect. we also spent more time on knotter timing . David the painter trying to catch up on parts painting before we take baler. tony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 8/20/20 Needle cradle , New brake pads welded on . starting on pic up reel cover base , new hinge tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 On 8/12/2020 at 11:46 AM, WI Dan said: I signed onto this website just so I can comment on this build. A week after finding it, I've read through every page. WOW It's all I can say! Thank You Sir ! Welcome to the forum . Lot of great guys here . I will try to answer any question you have about this thread. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twostepn2001 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 23 hours ago, Tonyinca said: Our plunger pitman arm measured 41 inches the other two measured 44 inches. Makes you wonder how you would've figured it out if you didn't have the 2 donor baler parts to compare with....lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyinca Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, twostepn2001 said: Makes you wonder how you would've figured it out if you didn't have the 2 donor baler parts to compare with....lol Your right ! It would of been a puzzle! thank God that we have been fortunate to have parts source and templates tony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
560Dennis Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 4:54 PM, Tonyinca said: I had thought that perhaps not every nut and bolt would need coming off , however, one thing leads to another and just about everything has come apart and the bad part is that every time a bolt comes off its pretty well eaten with rust in middle and also every connecting or touching piece has to be either blasted of heavy wire brushed to remove rust and scale then primer . Been frustrating this week because I had eye surgery and Doc said off two weeks, No bending or lifting, and I am chomping at the bit to go get few more parts ready for painter , but they require laying underneath and lifting , Also,I cant blast or wire brush because I still have stitches in till Thursday don't want to risk infection from rust dust . lol. Hoping John can keep things going on Wednesday. Tony. Do what the doc sayes , two weeks can go fast doing other stuff. Two weeks is nothing . Six month from now you won’t remember the two weeks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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