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Mr Huber, you have written so well what so many of us believe. You hit the nail squarely on the head with that piece. Well done.

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God Bless Mr Huber and our President

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was just shown an article from a doctor in florida. explained how is 25 year old patient who had 8 children already appeared to have the nicest things, purse, cell phone and so on. he claims she can collect 15 hundred for each child, and is also entitled to other benefits, while our old age pensioners probably are entitled to about half of that, and don't forget about the insurance benefits, we recently priced health insurance in wis. we are 61 years old. plans anywhere from 18 to 25 hundred a month, along with a huge deductible. it seems that all we are doing is trying to protect our assets till we can get to 65, imagine up to 40 k year for health insurance including deductible. it would seem very hard to go it alone with health insurance , so on our farm that would  be about almost 2 bucks a cwt. to cover us for the next year.

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3 hours ago, pt756 said:

was just shown an article from a doctor in florida. explained how is 25 year old patient who had 8 children already appeared to have the nicest things, purse, cell phone and so on. he claims she can collect 15 hundred for each child, and is also entitled to other benefits, while our old age pensioners probably are entitled to about half of that, and don't forget about the insurance benefits, we recently priced health insurance in wis. we are 61 years old. plans anywhere from 18 to 25 hundred a month, along with a huge deductible. it seems that all we are doing is trying to protect our assets till we can get to 65, imagine up to 40 k year for health insurance including deductible. it would seem very hard to go it alone with health insurance , so on our farm that would  be about almost 2 bucks a cwt. to cover us for the next year.

I’ve never seen someone take a service such as health insurance , and f it up so much that no one can afford it anymore! It might not have been perfect but it WORKED! It’s amazing how if you’re MA BELL you aren’t allowed to provide services for the country any more because of being too big, but if you’re the federal government  all bets are off. And don’t worry about it not working, we’ll fix it!!

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34 minutes ago, Ihfan4life said:

I’ve never seen someone take a service such as health insurance , and f it up so much that no one can afford it anymore! It might not have been perfect but it WORKED! It’s amazing how if you’re MA BELL you aren’t allowed to provide services for the country any more because of being too big, but if you’re the federal government  all bets are off. And don’t worry about it not working, we’ll fix it!!

I believe they called it "The affordable healthcare act". 

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And they want to take care of all of us the way they take care of the vets.

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22 minutes ago, Steve C. said:

And they want to take care of all of us the way they take care of the vets.

What they would really like is for everyone to pay social security from the first day they work to the last day they worked, and then after they’ve done this, and paid extortion in the form of government mandated insurance, is to be able to say with clear conscience is something similar to; “ we have determined that the cost/ benefit ratio is too extreme for us to allow you to have this surgery and therefore are denying your claim”  take the remaining time you have to “ enjoy your family”. Ooh yea, here is some literature on ending your life on your terms rather than suffering....

Extreme enough for you? 

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30 minutes ago, Steve C. said:

And they want to take care of all of us the way they take care of the vets.

I went to get my flu-shot a couple of weeks ago. My family Doc was out of the 'hi-strength' stuff, but said they would call if they got some in.

On the way home I checked Walgreens, and they said no problem, we have it but are busy and it would be a few minutes.

I got to talking to a Viet-Nam vet that was there to get one, because the VA didn't order any hi-strength vaccine.

A couple of minutes later the clerk from Walgreens came over, and told the guy there would be a $75.00 co-pay, and the VA wouldn't cover it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND THATS HOW THE VA TAKES CARE OF THE VETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(I get furious EVERY time I think about it!!!  :angry:)

Up-side...a complete stranger stepped up, and said thanks for your service, and paid the co-pay.

Guess the world isn't ALL bad.

Mike

 

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7 minutes ago, Ihfan4life said:

What they would really like is for everyone to pay social security from the first day they work to the last day they worked, and then after they’ve done this, and paid extortion in the form of government mandated insurance, is to be able to say with clear conscience is something similar to; “ we have determined that the cost/ benefit ratio is too extreme for us to allow you to have this surgery and therefore are denying your claim”  take the remaining time you have to “ enjoy your family”. Ooh yea, here is some literature on ending your life on your terms rather than suffering....

Extreme enough for you? 

You are confusing Social Security w/ Medicare.

Plus what you say “ we have determined that the cost/ benefit ratio is too extreme for us to allow you to have this surgery and therefore are denying your claim”  take the remaining time you have to “ enjoy your family”.  is true of the way for profit insurance companies have managed coverage since Day One of the advent of health insurance.

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If we could just go to the doctor and pay the doctor and buy the medicine we need from the doctor. Kinda like the vet clinic. Thank heavens we dont have to buy healthcare coverage for our cows..

 

Why do we have to pay for a hundred admin people in other parts of the country when the doctor and nurses are the only ones that did any work?

It is time to stop paying those that do not produce anything. Only pay the ones performing the services. Aint that how it used to be? 

I am pretty simple and dont understand how some things work.

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1 hour ago, new guy said:

If we could just go to the doctor and pay the doctor and buy the medicine we need from the doctor. Kinda like the vet clinic.

Healthcare is a very, very complicated topic.  Much to consider and discuss so let me just respond to your ^^^ question.

God forbid but what if you or one of your family finds gets a cancer diagnosis, even a simple treatable variety?  The cost to treat would be from $100's.000 to $1,000,000 +.  You may have that money but I guarantee you that 99%+ of the population doesn't.

Hence the concept of health insurance where an individual's monetary burden in time of need is spread across to those other's w/ insurance, who may not need it immediately, but certainly will benefit from the same cost spreading at some point in their lives.

Further regarding the "invidual mandate"...  How many rail against auto insurance; the concept and basis and not the rates?  That is Gov't imposed too.  Now I know the more clever of you would respond "But I can choose to not have a vehicle and drive on public roads?"  I agree, yes that is possible.  But then I next ask "How practical is that? " How many staunch advocates of "personal liberty" would/do choose to forgo securing insurance and then legally operating a vehicle on publicly owned roadways?   My opinion?.....somewhere about 0.001%.

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2 hours ago, Atilathehun99 said:

Healthcare is a very, very complicated topic.  Much to consider and discuss so let me just respond to your ^^^ question.

God forbid but what if you or one of your family finds gets a cancer diagnosis, even a simple treatable variety?  The cost to treat would be from $100's.000 to $1,000,000 +.  You may have that money but I guarantee you that 99%+ of the population doesn't.

Hence the concept of health insurance where an individual's monetary burden in time of need is spread across to those other's w/ insurance, who may not need it immediately, but certainly will benefit from the same cost spreading at some point in their lives.

Further regarding the "invidual mandate"...  How many rail against auto insurance; the concept and basis and not the rates?  That is Gov't imposed too.  Now I know the more clever of you would respond "But I can choose to not have a vehicle and drive on public roads?"  I agree, yes that is possible.  But then I next ask "How practical is that? " How many staunch advocates of "personal liberty" would/do choose to forgo securing insurance and then legally operating a vehicle on publicly owned roadways?   My opinion?.....somewhere about 0.001%.

In your scenario everyone has contributed equally to society therefor we all share the burden equally? 

That is where i start to have serious problems with the system. Not everyone is entitled to a million dollar cure.

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Our new MI governor elect allegedly just appointed one of the higher ups at Blue Cross Blue Shield as part of her "team". I guess we won't be seeing much change in healthcare in MI for the working people. However, she does plan on expanding Medicaid so people that need health insurance have access to it. Geez. I guess that's what happens if Blue Cross Blue Shield donates 14X, 000 dollars to your campaign. Next person on her team will probably be an exec for a car insurance company, since we already have one of, if not the highest, insurance rates in the US. 

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A lot more to worry about than just health insurance in mich. And the rest of the country, just read the post, a couple of times and think about it really hard.    WHAT HAS  AMERICA BECOME.      We are in big trouble

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This is just a personal belief of mine so I'm not starting an ideological argument but it's not my responsibility if someone else has health insurance. Just like it's not someone else's responsibility to take care of me or my family's medical bills.  Medicaid/Medicare, Social Security was started in the idea of taking care of those who could not take care of themselves, old aged, disabled. Car insurance is a different scenario considering a persons actions could cause personal injury and property damages. Don't think a person can give some one lung cancer, STD's yes, but that's another issue about personal choices and that is what a lot of this comes down to, personal choices. If healthcare is something that is important to someone then they should strive to attain a job that offers it or an income that can afford it. Not complain that Joe Blow down the road has health insurance and I don't so someone else should help pay for mine. Personal accountability and responsibility is going the way of dinosaurs. I believe in helping those who CANNOT help themselves, not those that would rather someone else to do it for them. I think its crazy a new truck could cost 50,60,70,80,90,000$ but they do and my truck has a little of 300,000 on it, I need a new one, it's a basic necessity of life like healthcare, to get to work, to get basic life essentials, Right? So who's gonna chip in and help pay for my new truck? We head down this road of "I ought to have" or "it's a basic human right",  where does the entitlements stop? 

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You people do realize that by in large those w/out health insurance still get some level of care and who pays for that?  We do as hospitals/insurance companies just pass those losses along to the insured through increases in service costs and premiums.

The alternative would be to totally deny all health care to the un-insured.  We as a society are not, although some would disagree, are going to do that.

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Yep and we'll pay 10 times what we do now as soon as the government involved and entitled cry babies get there "Free Healthcare".  As far as the "We as a society" part, You or anyone else are not entitled to another man's labor & knowledge, IE. doctors, nurses, EMT's. Also you do not speak for the society, you speak for yourself as I do. Just for curiosity sake how much more of your income are you prepared to give up so everyone can have "Free Healthcare". 10%, 30%, 60% more?  I think before anyone says that the Healthcare for All by government is a good idea they should look at the tax rates of the countries in Europe that have it. And asking the question, Are they personally ready to give up their toys, (boats, motorcycles, etc.) and selling their house since they won't be able to make the mortgage when a quarter to half their paycheck disappears overnight to pay for this. It will be the shortcut to a depression when people default on millions of loans since the income tax will have to sky rocket to pay for it. That's why socialism doesn't work, never has and never will.

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