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I'm sorry I'm still stuck on the "Not violating any body's rights part you stated. They are not citizens which means they have NO rights. If you believe different then I'm gonna dox you and Rob you blind since you don't have a problem with someone screwing you if it's I'm attempt for a better life.

6 hours ago, ArkLa 1086 said:

without violating anyone's rights just how an unguarded wall is going to stop anyone determined to get through.

 

Rick

Is that enough for your recollection? The difference between me and you is I believe in my bones "America First". You by your own words are worried about "their rights". How many are you willing to take into your own home? I guess it's LIBERAL rhetoric since you havnt given a number. I am a Nationalist, not racist but Nationalist. America first for Americans. Black, white, brown, or shartruse green. Americans. Period. Your "numbers" are BS. Your logic is skewed. "Nothing will work, it's all a symbol but I have no solution." That's your liberal game. Seems like your willing to fight for an illegal aliens more than you are a citizen. I remember my oath but obviously you've forgotten yours. Quit with the excuses, the Berlin wall and dmz worked and I would rather see minefields before I saw this country fail under the weight of ILLEGAL ALIENS. Too bad you don't feel the same way. Guess I'll break into your house tomorrow and rob you blind since you dont believe walls work, and hey Im only doing it to better my life so your OK with it right? America first, American's first, always and forever.

 

 

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And before I get banned the "doxxing" was hyperbole. I don't believe in it. Just this country's SOVEREIGNTY is the big deal to me and we already have 12 million Foreign  folks living here breaking the law that some folks are OK with but have 1 stranger enter their house and they dial 911 immediately. Just a bit ironic. This land is all  of we American's home. First and foremost. 

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1 hour ago, ArkLa 1086 said:

I'm sorry I'm still stuck on the "Not violating any body's rights part you stated. They are not citizens which means they have NO rights. If you believe different then I'm gonna dox you and Rob you blind since you don't have a problem with someone screwing you if it's I'm attempt for a better life.

Is that enough for your recollection? The difference between me and you is I believe in my bones "America First". You by your own words are worried about "their rights". How many are you willing to take into your own home? I guess it's LIBERAL rhetoric since you havnt given a number. I am a Nationalist, not racist but Nationalist. America first for Americans. Black, white, brown, or shartruse green. Americans. Period. Your "numbers" are BS. Your logic is skewed. "Nothing will work, it's all a symbol but I have no solution." That's your liberal game. Seems like your willing to fight for an illegal aliens more than you are a citizen. I remember my oath but obviously you've forgotten yours. Quit with the excuses, the Berlin wall and dmz worked and I would rather see minefields before I saw this country fail under the weight of ILLEGAL ALIENS. Too bad you don't feel the same way. Guess I'll break into your house tomorrow and rob you blind since you dont believe walls work, and hey Im only doing it to better my life so your OK with it right? America first, American's first, always and forever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you but I posted the violation of peoples rights because with they way things are that plays into this. We are not going to start shooting people for trying to get into the US. It's that simple. A fair number of Americans don't see this like you or I do. They have a different viewpoint. The political viewpoint is something along the line of 44% are democrats or lean democrat while 37% are republican or lean republican. So to impose any policy that would make the wall work you have to convince most of the people (over 50%) plus the courts because you know it's going to get tied up in the courts. That's all I was referring to.

 

My idea if applied would negate the need to build that wall. Rigidly enforce the immigration laws already on the books. Pass jail time for illegals. Start out small and work up. 90 days first offense at hard labor (I have no problem with chain gangs) . They came here to work so put em to work. At the end of 90 days deport them. Maybe a year 2nd offense and so on. Prosecute those who knowingly hire illegals. Part of the way to do that is to make SS notify an employer that someone is else is using that SS number. Right now they are not allowed to do that. Something about not incriminating yourself is the excuse. Also use existing laws about aiding someone who is committing a crime. That means if a state pays bennies to an illegal they are in violation of federal law. The person who made that decision get tried for it. That would make it very difficult if not impossible for an illegal to live here. Now the bad part is the only way to put something like that in place and keep it is to overthrow the government and establish a dictatorship. That's because eventually the liberals will regain the white house and one or both houses. Once that happens all that goes right out the window. I'm not real comfortable with the idea of overthrowing our government.

The big reason I'm against the wall is right now with the current overall political climate there is no way it's going to work. Plus if fails to address illegals from other countries, just Mexico and South America. And there are lots of illegals from the former Soviet Union, Asia, Africa and other countries around the world. All of them need to leave.

 

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On 8/25/2018 at 11:43 PM, ArkLa 1086 said:

And yes you and Tilla are LIBERALS, not a shooting offense but to each their own.

 I swear when I read that if I had been drinking a beverage it would have shot out of my nose.

OT has stated clearly that we are politically diametrically opposed.  His story not mine (he thinks it more true than what it really is, but that's another topic....).  I can assure you w/out reservation OT is NOT a Liberal.  I don't feel the need to justify my views but if your really want to know the absolute truth I'm what would in the near past be considered a very conservative Democrat, but by the current right as a "F___ing commie, socialist".  No problem; I can live w/ the un-informed opinions of others.... very comfortably  in fact.

You proclaim yourself to be a "Nationalist".  It's fantastic for citizens to love our Great Nation.  I would ask you though to see how throughout history how extreme "Nationalist" movements have fared.? (does Germany in the 30's, 40's ring a bell?).  For over 200 years now the USA has interacted and cooperated w/ other nations in the name of achieving our own national objectives.

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2 hours ago, Atilathehun99 said:

 For over 200 years now the USA has interacted and cooperated w/ other nations in the name of achieving our own national objectives.

Really? Lets see, the war with the Barbary Pirates? Ring a bell? Something like 1801. War of 1812. Indian wars. Boxer Rebellion, Spanish American War,  Philippine Insurrection, Banana Republic Wars, WWI, WWII, Korea, Cold War, Viet Nam, Gernada, Desert Storm and the current war on terror...........now that isn't cooperating.........so that much be the the interacted part?????? ???

 

23 hours ago, ArkLa 1086 said:

And before I get banned the "doxxing" was hyperbole. I don't believe in it. Just this country's SOVEREIGNTY is the big deal to me and we already have 12 million Foreign  folks living here breaking the law that some folks are OK with but have 1 stranger enter their house and they dial 911 immediately. Just a bit ironic. This land is all  of we American's home. First and foremost. 

Just curious sense yer so big on defending the US.......what branch and when did you serve?

 

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3 hours ago, Atilathehun99 said:

 I swear when I read that if I had been drinking a beverage it would have shot out of my nose.

OT has stated clearly that we are politically diametrically opposed.  His story not mine (he thinks it more true than what it really is, but that's another topic....).  I can assure you w/out reservation OT is NOT a Liberal.  I don't feel the need to justify my views but if your really want to know the absolute truth I'm what would in the near past be considered a very conservative Democrat, but by the current right as a "F___ing commie, socialist".  No problem; I can live w/ the un-informed opinions of others.... very comfortably  in fact.

You proclaim yourself to be a "Nationalist".  It's fantastic for citizens to love our Great Nation.  I would ask you though to see how throughout history how extreme "Nationalist" movements have fared.? (does Germany in the 30's, 40's ring a bell?).  For over 200 years now the USA has interacted and cooperated w/ other nations in the name of achieving our own national objectives.

I said Nationalist, I am, used to be called Patriot. You mentioned look at "extreme nationalist of the past" and Nazi reference. Typical liberal misdirection of the facts and outright lies. MSM displays it everyday .

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34 minutes ago, oldtanker said:

Really? Lets see, the war with the Barbary Pirates? Ring a bell? Something like 1801. War of 1812. Indian wars. Boxer Rebellion, Spanish American War,  Philippine Insurrection, Banana Republic Wars, WWI, WWII, Korea, Cold War, Viet Nam, Gernada, Desert Storm and the current war on terror...........now that isn't cooperating.........so that much be the the interacted part?????? ???

 

Just curious sense yer so big on defending the US.......what branch and when did you serve?

 

Rick

 

What does it matter? I'm 38 & It will just lead to what is my critical mos on my 214 or what Ruckers barracks look like all in an attempt to discredit me & or my argument. I have lived my life for my own reasons and rewards and suffered the poor choices.  But it's sad to see the situation where my grandkids won't enjoy my freedom's, rights and opportunities just like I have less than my grandfather. The wall isn't a synbol. It has function. Given the last election and the fact every "poll" numbers was wrong, I would be cautious of quoting some statistics.

 

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Here's something else to consider: Walter Williams on immigrants and disease.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/08/walter-e-williams/immigrants-and-disease/

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1 minute ago, ArkLa 1086 said:

 

What does it matter? I'm 38 & It will just lead to what is my critical mos on my 214 or what Ruckers barracks look like all in an attempt to discredit me & or my argument. I have lived my life for my own reasons and rewards and suffered the poor choices.  But it's sad to see the situation where my grandkids won't enjoy my freedom's, rights and opportunities just like I have less than my grandfather. The wall isn't a synbol. It has function. Given the last election and the fact every "poll" numbers was wrong, I would be cautious of quoting some statistics.

 

I keep asking what that function is? Keep in mind you can tunnel under it, climb over it, cut holes through it and boat/swim around the end of it. The wall in and of itself is only a deterrent to someone who will obey the law. So if it doesn't stop illegals from coming in and IMO it won't just what is that function?

As far as service is concerned I asked because you keep claiming that you are for the country. Unfortunately many people claim to be these great patriots and they have never served a day. Wasn't aimed at knocking you if you served. 

The witch won the popular vote........I'm just glad that she didn't win the one that counted......

 

Rick

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14 minutes ago, ArkLa 1086 said:

 

The wall isn't a synbol. It has function.

Just so you know, I'd ask these same questions of the POTUS if he were part of the this conversation. Way back when the last president made all those statements about what the Affordable Care Act was going to do for people I didn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. Just cause the sitting president says this wall is going to work given that in places they have already dug tunnels to get drugs from Tijuana to San Diego. Every time the DEA and cops find one they dig another. IMO even the president knows it isn't going to work. I think it was a comment he made when running for office and that people bought it, hook, line and sinker and now to keep his base happy he has to produce. I keep saying it. If I thought it would be effective I'd back it 100%.

I've given reason why I think it will fail. No one, not even the president has said how it's going to work. Is it that hard a question? Just how, given the circumstances under how it will be enforced is it supposed to be effective? I just don't buy into the "hope it will work" line of thinking. 

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Notbing will be 100% effective. Never has and never will no matter what. Even if it is only 75% effective that is a major improvement. Yes they will still try to tunnel and we will find them. They may row their boat around them but that can be monitored. Doing nothing is not an option. Build the wall and clear the land along it. If it stops one piece of sh!t from crossing illegally and commiting a heinous crime i am for it. Sections have already been built and more are being added. These have been approved by both sides of the aisle over the years. There is such a divide in congress right now they cant get together and figure out problems. Much like the posters here that keep arguing back and forth but have yet to come up with a solution and have resorted to name calling. 

Do any of you experts have a better idea??

If not lets put this to sleep and move on. A family lost their daughter. Lets remember that.

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3 hours ago, new guy said:

Notbing will be 100% effective. Never has and never will no matter what. Even if it is only 75% effective that is a major improvement. Yes they will still try to tunnel and we will find them. They may row their boat around them but that can be monitored. Doing nothing is not an option. Build the wall and clear the land along it. If it stops one piece of sh!t from crossing illegally and commiting a heinous crime i am for it. Sections have already been built and more are being added. These have been approved by both sides of the aisle over the years. There is such a divide in congress right now they cant get together and figure out problems. Much like the posters here that keep arguing back and forth but have yet to come up with a solution and have resorted to name calling. 

Do any of you experts have a better idea??

If not lets put this to sleep and move on. A family lost their daughter. Lets remember that.

I really doubt it will be 75% effective. I'm betting maybe, at best 10% after maybe 6 months, but really think it will be 2 months if you could put the wall in overnight. What I think will happen is as soon as they complete a sector and move to the next they will defeat the last sector completed. Like I've said, what has been completed has neither slowed down the flow or drugs or illegals. In fact where it's been tunneled under it's made it harder to detect.

I've stated my idea. Walls with open ends through the ages have never worked.

Just the plane ugly truth as I see it, not as I'd like to see it. Still haven't heard what's going to make it work. You guys that are for it, stop thinking it will work and start thinking "if I was in the business of smuggling people across the border how would I get past that wall". "How am I going to keep making money"?

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We need an Article Five on the issue of the Wall.

Then let the States make up their mind on building/funding.

It takes 38 states to ratify the change.

Congress is too busy campaigning and raising money to do the right thing.

While at it, remove Congresses retirement, preferential treatment and healthcare.

Congress needs to be a part of America and not their own little soverign country.

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And repeal Citizens United.  Take BIG MONEY out of our political process.......the Koch's, Soros, Business, Unions, Adelson, PAC's of all stripes, etc....

Let's require our candidates to run and win/lose on their merits and not get elected based on how much money they can bank and pump into their campaigns.

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Just gotta say before I bow out, been another good "debate" with Tanker & Tilla. Nothing personal, I'm sure you're good men, patriots  and your statements come from good places, even though we may vehemently disagree. Tanker, 101, 1-506,   campbell, 98-06, 3rd generation. Currahee!!!.  Best decision I ever made that I wouldn't want to do over or take it away for anything either. I also can't deny that some of y'alls arguments don't have very logical footing. Just that, well you know, we may have different experiences and/or outlooks. For the record my 16 yr old nephew that I love very much is 1/2 Mexican so it's not a racist thing for me. Just a problem that can't be ignored, even though we may disagree on the best course of action. So, touche' to the both of you(Tanker, Tilla) but New Guy is right, we are way off course over the original point of a family lost their little girl, who ironically was the same age as my daughter. So I'm  respectfully bowing out. You gentlemen have a good evening.

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Remember THIS, when the Communist Party candidates, and the fawning LIBERAL ELITISTS of the MEDIA come out to Iowa, in just over a year, begging for YOUR vote:

 

NY Times Editor: Americans’ ‘Racism’ ‘Main Reason’ Mollie Tibbetts Murder Garners Attention

https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/08/29/ny-times-editor-americans-racism-main-reason-mollie-tibbetts-murder-garners-attention/

 

Shouts of 'FAKE NEWS" would nowhere be expressive enough over something like this, instead the MEDIA should be greeted with tomatoes, eggs (fresh or rotten), with a few  and  mixed in.

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