superih Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 If two combines are setting beside each other, one a 2588 and the other a late model (2005) 2388, equipped the same which would you choose? I myself am kind of leaning toward a 2388 simply because of the mechanical injection engine instead of the Common Rail on the 2588. It doesn't appear that there were many other upgrades to the 2588. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFixEmUp Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Probably the 2388 for me, probably less money? Hours the same? How does a 2788 compare? I don't see a lot of 2588 or 2788's here. Found this on The Combine Forum. https://www.thecombineforum.com/forums/7-case-ih/23371-2588-vs-2388-a.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass1660 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 I didn’t think there were any 2788’s, thought they went to the 50,6088 from 2588. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichow7120 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, jass1660 said: Do didn’t think there were any 2788’s, thought they went to the 50,6088 from 2588. That's what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 27xx series were built for the South American market. 2799s were the model #s IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 2 hours ago, superih said: If two combines are setting beside each other, one a 2588 and the other a late model (2005) 2388, equipped the same which would you choose? I myself am kind of leaning toward a 2388 simply because of the mechanical injection engine instead of the Common Rail on the 2588. It doesn't appear that there were many other upgrades to the 2588. Thoughts? We just went through this same thing ended up buying the 2588. Found a 2005 2200/2600 hour 2388 2 owner super nice . Then found a 2 owner 2588 50 miles from 2388. 2588 had 100 less hours, 520 duals front big rear 12 row ready with 16 weights and pro 600 monitor. The 2388 had 30.5 32 drive small rears and the universal monitor wasn’t included nor hauling. We went with the 2588 67,000 outright vs 62,000 for the 2388. To bad the other day went to a sale on Canadian border still in the USA though. A 1200/1600 hour fully equipped 12row ready 2588 brought 62000 with pickup head and swath pickup. The pickup header was worth at least 5000 by itself and that low hour of a combine would have been in the 90,000 range at dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superih Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, dale560 said: A 1200/1600 hour fully equipped 12row ready 2588 brought 62000 with pickup head and swath pickup. Oh man, next time you run across that buy it for me, I'll be up to get it the next day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerFixEmUp Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Maybe I'm thinking of a 2377. They replaced a 2366 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, superih said: Oh man, next time you run across that buy it for me, I'll be up to get it the next day! I am kicking myself the same sale had a 946 versatile 10,000 a 9882 versatile 25,000 2 9030 bidi versatile 18,000 and 24000. The buy of the day but I left was a McDon 30 ft FD 70 Draper they say 6,000 it sold for that is a 40,000 header anyplace. The combine and header were as clean as you could find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Here is pic of ours we bought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 Here are picture of the sale combine,62,000. And the tractors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 48 minutes ago, FarmerFixEmUp said: Maybe I'm thinking of a 2377. They replaced a 2366 right? 23/2577s are just 88s with no bin extensions and detuned engines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Neubauer Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 50 minutes ago, FarmerFixEmUp said: Maybe I'm thinking of a 2377. They replaced a 2366 right? Officially yes but the 2377 has a lot more capacity than a 2388, a 2377 is probably comparable to an early 2388. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichow7120 Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 hour ago, FarmerFixEmUp said: Maybe I'm thinking of a 2377. They replaced a 2366 right? Yes, we have one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 As far as the engines are concerned, the 2588 with the common rail will have a lot more power than the 2388 mechanical 2-valve engine, but the 2588 owners will tell you that you will pay for it in reduced fuel economy. If you want those extra horses, you gotta feed them. If you are looking at the 2388, make sure the engine fan has been updated to the plastic fan...the metal one would self-destruct and make a VERY high $$$ repair by destroying all the coolers/radiators in the engine compartment. The 2588 had the factory extra bin extensions, wider 2nd gear in the transmission, Pro600 monitor for the yield monitor, heavier-duty rotor belt and gearbox, faster and longer unloader auger among other improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST-470 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 2 hours ago, SDman said: As far as the engines are concerned, the 2588 with the common rail will have a lot more power than the 2388 mechanical 2-valve engine, but the 2588 owners will tell you that you will pay for it in reduced fuel economy. If you want those extra horses, you gotta feed them. If you are looking at the 2388, make sure the engine fan has been updated to the plastic fan...the metal one would self-destruct and make a VERY high $$$ repair by destroying all the coolers/radiators in the engine compartment. The 2588 had the factory extra bin extensions, wider 2nd gear in the transmission, Pro600 monitor for the yield monitor, heavier-duty rotor belt and gearbox, faster and longer unloader auger among other improvements. X2. 2588 far superior machine, most have extended wear parts in them also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
856 Custom Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Have had both. Yes day and nights difference on fuel usage between the two. You'll get more work done with the 2588 at the end of the day. If you opt for the 2388 make sure the fan bearing on the engine has been updated! Mine went out and I thought the machine was going to go up in smoke. Luckily that didn't happen or the fan going through the radiator. Dealership let me rent a 2388 last fall off the lot when my 2588 was down for a few days. After climbing out of one into the other was many changes overall in performance and other things. That 2388 seemed alot lighter in the back end than the 2588 with the 30' head. That was a 1998, 2388 and the 2388 I had was a 2001. I don't remember the 2388 I had being light in the back but it's been since 2013 since I drove the one I had. A 2388 is a good machine though for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superih Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 10 hours ago, SDman said: As far as the engines are concerned, the 2588 with the common rail will have a lot more power than the 2388 mechanical 2-valve engine, but the 2588 owners will tell you that you will pay for it in reduced fuel economy. If you want those extra horses, you gotta feed them. If you are looking at the 2388, make sure the engine fan has been updated to the plastic fan...the metal one would self-destruct and make a VERY high $$$ repair by destroying all the coolers/radiators in the engine compartment. The 2588 had the factory extra bin extensions, wider 2nd gear in the transmission, Pro600 monitor for the yield monitor, heavier-duty rotor belt and gearbox, faster and longer unloader auger among other improvements. Thank you, exactly what I needed to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superih Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 So more about fuel usage, same size head in the same field running the same speed, will the 2588 still use more fuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruegerdiesel Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 the 2588s are sweet,but the 24v engine is a negative from what i've seen. I've had many pickups with 24v cummins b series engines with no issues,but the 24v 8.3s we have seen far too many dropping valves,or valve heads breaking off. this is more common on combines but have seen on the magnums too, only on the common rail engines. Been a lot of engines replaced on lower hour machines around here. That said I'd be happy with a few less hp and a 12v with a p-pump and no electronics on the engine. My 2388 is a 2000 model, plenty of power. Id look for a 03 - 04 because of the 12v and a nicer engine bay hood that opens up nice for service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reichow7120 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Question, If the combine still has a inline on the 8.3 engine instead of common rail, does that make it a 12 valve or is it possible to find a 24 valve with the inline pump and not common rail? our 2377 is a 2005 with the inline pump,not common rail. Just curious that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I wouldn’t worry about tearing valves off. Both the 12 valve and 24 valve do it. Actually concrete guy here in town I do some stuff for has had same truck with 12 valve 8.3 do it twice 5 years apart. The real early high speed 1680/ 88 were real prone to dropping valve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDman Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Reichow7120 said: Question, If the combine still has a inline on the 8.3 engine instead of common rail, does that make it a 12 valve or is it possible to find a 24 valve with the inline pump and not common rail? our 2377 is a 2005 with the inline pump,not common rail. Just curious that's all All 12Vs are mechanical, all 24Vs are electronic. The electronic ones either had a CAPS system or HPCR(High Pressure Common Rail). I won't deny the HPCR engines have had some valve train issues, but I've seen far more damage on them due to injector failure. It took CDC/Cummins/CaseIH/Bosch a couple years to get all the problems figured out on them. They had a tendency to stick open under load(especially on combines for some reason). The operator had about 30 seconds to determine something was wrong, and shut down the engine immediately; or the engine would hydraulic lock between the piston at TDC and the cylinder head and have catastrophic failure. To my knowledge every late 2388/all 2588s in my area got their injectors replaced for this reason. It wasn't an official recall, just something we did after a couple disasters. A couple things I would recommend on later 2388s with the side-mount screen is to make sure the metal engine fan is replaced with the plastic one, and install the metal rotary screen update like what Dale's combine has on it. That plastic screen originally used on the side-mount screen machines gave a lot of problems. The black metal screen like Dale's has is probably the best radiator screen system ever used on Axial-Flows going back to 1977. With that screen you could run an entire season without cleaning air filters or radiators/coolers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale560 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Looks like mine has run a whole season without cleaning radiator. Bean chaff and dust is terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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