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George 2

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  1. There is a good passage in the new Red Combines book that describes the JD operating philosophy. They will not introduce new technology until their bottom line profit is negatively impacted by not adopting newer technology. In other words their accountants rule the roost. Compare that to IH where they had a skunk works working on the axial flow combines for over 10 years before the higher ups found out about the "garage" in East Moline. Very good book and congratulations to the authors.
  2. McCormick Deering and later McCormick threshers (22 x 38 and 28 x 46) were made in Hamilton, Ontario from somewhere in the 1930's up until 1953. There are still some stored in sheds here in Ontario.
  3. The place I worked at in the summers in the early 1960's had two TO-35 that were 1958 models and painted cream color. The 1956 TO-35 was painted gray. The 1959 TO-35 were painted red and had Massey Ferguson decals but were still TO-35. The following year they were called MF35. Not nice tractors to drive and the brakes were non existent.
  4. Ralph: The IH 62 was a direct competitor to the case Model A.
  5. Combines started showing up in the Ottawa Valley after WWII. Our model IH 62 was a 1950 build and we bought it in the mid 1950's as a used unit. It sure beat stooking. We also had the model IH 8 windrower that came with it as windrowing was the only way to dry down the weeds.
  6. Just thought I would let you know the old 1420 worked like a champion doing my neighbors oats last week. He really likes it and as I mentioned earlier we found a top notch 1020 15 foot head for it also so he is now getting ready for his beans.
  7. The last IH 22 x 38 and 28 x 46 threshers were manufactured in 1953 at Hamilton, Ontario as stated in a now lost IH advertisement I had. So the production run of these threshers was from 1925 to 1953. I have only seen couple of the late ones over the years. One of them is owned by a antique enthusiast and he had it at the Paisley, ON Heritage Show this year. It has the "McCormick" decals on it (post 1949). It was a 28 x 46 and was powered by his WD40 tractor. It is interesting to note that the 38 and 46 inch wide separators continued into the combines. The 151, 403 , 715, and 815 all had 38 inch wide separators. The 181, 503, and 915 all had 46 inch separators. The 1420 and 1620 also had 38 inch wide separators. The 1440, 1460, 1640, 1660 thru to the 2366 all had 46 inch wide separator housings.
  8. Delta Dirt: Looking at your boots in the picture, I wondered if they are tall enough for rattle snakes? I used to have a pair when I was with JD on a trip out to Montana and they appeared to be about 6 inches taller than yours. Comment?
  9. That is an interesting connection that you would know the dealer listed in one of these vintage ads I keep finding. I likely have a few more here but for today all I have is an Allis Chalmers forage harvester. They claim any 30 horsepower tractor will handle it. From 1952. Yes Bill was quite a dealer. He was also the distributor for Bombardier Skidoos as well. That started in the fall of 1958 and early 1959 when Bombardier gave him a preproduction 8 HP skidoo for him and his family to play with and evaluate. I along with his son and my two buddies all got to drive it. It was definitely underpowered and the following year the power was raised to 12 HP. Then in 1961 it was raised to 15 HP and that one was real good for flying through the snow and not getting bogged down. They went into full production after that and he had them in crates in his barn and they got shipped out almost as fast as they arrived. That was in 1962 and he handled hundreds of them for Bombardier over the 5 years or so until Bombardier started handling their own distribution. The Skidoo sure increased our freedom to travel in mid winter when the snow was 3 feet deep. As for the Allis forage harvester there was the odd one in the Lachute area but they were not popular. The McKee was much more popular at that time.
  10. OBG: That picture is a classic. You should submit it to some of the guys writing books on IH. There was a picture my parents had long ago of my grandmother's brother in Foam Lake, Saskatchewan on his wide front Farmall M with a Massey pull type combine in tow doing swathed wheat. I don't know where that picture is now but your picture brought it back to me. Thanks for posting.
  11. Now that was some interesting video. How they ever got those balers to perform at such high speed is beyond me. Of course I have never had the privilege of working a new machine and they probably had better capacity than the well used ones I worked with. George2, it sounds like the McKee Harvester you worked with was pretty labour intensive compared to the modern sixties version I posted the ad of. Here is another ad, a little older, from 1959. Still advertised as a one man machine though. Looks like a Ford up front. Maybe a Ford NAA? My, My, My, Loadstar you sure have the goods. That is the advertisement for the first year the Model S (with cross auger and sucker pipe) was sold. And notice the list of dealers. The dealer for Quebec where I grew up was none other than J.W.(Bill) Davis, our neighbor, and one of my mother's classmates in school. I remember hanging around his shop when they were assembling them and the wagons for shipment to the customers across Quebec. McKee Brothers shipped 7 or 8 of them at a time by road transport knocked down, the 400 miles from Elmira to Lachute and unloaded them at his ramp. The one my uncle had was the older Model D (I think that was the letter). The first one in our area was back in 1954, and then a neighbor bought one in 1955. For 1954 and 1955 they were called the McKee Pneumatic Harvester but the name was changed in 1956 to McKee Shredder harvester. That was the year my uncle bought his. It sure bring back memories of hanging around his welding shop and garage as a pre teen. I have to admit that I, and two friends of mine, learned a considerable amount about machinery around that shop and garage. He also sold McKee double auger snow blowers, Bombardier rubber tracked log skidding vehicles and other used machinery and tractors in addition to operating a full service Texaco service station. But that is all gone now. The last time I was back there was about 5 years ago and all that is left is a gas bar.
  12. George2 , as it happens I do have this 1966 ad for the McKee harvestor. I think I can recall seeing a few of them around here in the sixties-seventies but don't think they ever took over the baling market. I wondered about the Cockshutt tractor on this ad thinking it might be a 550 but not sure if there would be enough horsepower to handle that harvestor. I guess if a W6 with fire crater pistons could do it then the 550 might. I'd say a Perkins diesel powered 560 would be the ideal setup though. Yes that is one of the late ones with the cross auger and sucker pipe. These were built after 1960 and our neighbor where I grew up sold them. The one we had was an earlier 1956 model and did not have the cross auger or the sucker pipe. Instead you stood on the front of the wagon with a pitch fork feeding the crop into it. There was a winch and end gate on the wagon which pushed the hay forward to the front once the front gate was dropped down to become a platform you stood on, while feeding hay into the back of the McKee. Great for losing weight and building muscles!! BTW, the 550 Cockshutt would be ok except where the hay stands were not exceptionally thick or the windrows large. A 560 would be a proper sized tractor in my view. We originally had a little Case VA tractor on it but it made mincemeat of the PTO gears in short order. The next tractor we had was an IH 330 utility on it and while the PTO was fine, the tractor burnt a lot of oil by the time it had 1500 hours on it. Like I said earlier the old W-6 with the Fire Craters was the only tractor that worked well with it . However, I finally got my revenge on the old McKee years later when we had an Farmall 856 . I had to do some pasture renovation and I mowed the field with an IH C-28 mower and raked it with an old rake we had. I then hauled the old McKee out and hooked it to the 856. The idea was just to chop up the timothy hay and blow it back on the field with deflectors on the end of the discharge pipe. So I increased the speed of the 856 until it even made the 856 snort a bit. The old PTO shaft withstood the beating I gave it but the drive belts were slipping so I put belt dressing on them. Worked well after that and cleaned up the field somewhat. The original McKee advertising stated that a Farmall H or W-4 could run it, but from my view that was very optimistic or else the hay around Elmira, ON where it was made was very light. It was, in my view, a piece of equipment that I was glad to see leave my uncles place headed for the scrap yard a few years later.
  13. There were a few 20-C forage harvesters sold in the area I grew up in until the McKee harvester showed up in 1954. McKee sold a lot of them in my area. There were 2 of them within 1 mile of where I grew up. My neighbor became the dealer for them after my uncle bought his from another dealer, and he sold 30 to 40 of them from 1957 to 1962. But by 1963 their day had passed and hay farming was gradually being replaced by cropping after that. I never thought much of taking "the barn to the field and back" myself and forking hay into the McKee from the 24 foot wagon my uncle had wasn't much fun. The only thing that was good for me is that I developed quite a few arm muscles I never thought I had as a teen ager. And it was rough on tractors also. The only tractor that could properly handle it was a rented W-6 with Fire Crater pistons in it. Later I found out that the W-6 had been dyno'd after they were installed and it put out in excess of 50 HP on the PTO. Ralph: If you have any advertisements for the McKee harvester I would be delighted in seeing them. Thanks in advance if you can find one.
  14. Painted green of course with Oliver decals.
  15. They were an Oliver baler painted red. Co-op Federee in Quebec sold quite a few of them.
  16. In the area I grew up in it was about 75% New Holland, about 20% IH and 5% for all other makes. Most of the 5 percent were John Deere and maybe 1% were Massey
  17. Perhaps there was a reason for watching how the knotter tied. In our area the 45 had a bad reputation for busted knots. Our neighbor had one and traded it for a NH Super 77 four weeks after they bought it. Dad told me it was because of bad knots and poor capacity. We had the later 46 baler and even it produced it's share of bad knots. Not enough to make it a big issue but enough to be annoying. Another neighbor has a NH 68 baler and it never missed a knot.
  18. My understanding is definitely the 127 was a 1952 and 1953 combine. The 141 came out in 1954 and ran until 1958. My understanding is that the first production 123 combines were in 1943 and ran until 1946. The 125 came out in 1947 and 1948. The 125SPV was in 1949 and the 125 SPVC was in 1950 and 1951. That is the best I can do from referring to old Tractor Farming and Canadian Tractor Farming magazine advertizements I have of the time period.
  19. IH have had the engine behind the grain tank starting with the 101 in 1957. Next came the i51 and 181. Since then all the larger IH and CIH combines have had the engine behind the grain tank.
  20. On point No 2, JD did not purchase their combine line from Cat. Most people assume JD got started in the combine business with Cat but JD started making their own combines in 1927. JD built their own prototype combine and compared it to a Universal (Gleaner) and a Massey. It out performed the Universal and was on par with the Massey so JD chose to build their own instead of buying out somebody which is interesting because Universal was for sale and was reaching out to JD. By 1936 JD was making the No 5A, No 7, and No 17. JD and Cat had sort of a close relationship back then and offered the 36 combine to JD for nothing. Cat was wanting to get out of the combine business. JD took the deal because they were lacking a hillside combine and wanted more market penetration into the west and northwest. The 55 first hit the market in 1946. Thanks for the update with all the correct details. I had known about the acquisition of the Cat line for many years and before sending out the post last night I decided to check out the references about the acquisition. Strangely enough, the one I read still sticks to the story that Deere paid for the acquisition. However this is a moot point and it has probably got lost in the passage of time. Good post.
  21. A few comments on the last 5 posts: 1. The IH 123 was introduced about 1943. I have that same sales catalogue and I think it is from about 1944 or 1945. 2. The JD combine line was purchased from Caterpillar in 1936 and they had several models prior to the 55. The 55 if I remember correctly was introduced in the late 1940's/early 1950's. 3. Cockshutt was a large competitor of Massey Harris and they both competed vigorously for sales in their territories. If one had something worth copying, then yes the other would copy it. 4. I had the opportunity over my lifetime to have had a good friend who was a combine designer at Massey in the 1970's and eventually became Chief Engineer at Massey Ferguson Combines in Brantford. He and I have had many discussions about combines even to the present day even though we are both retired. I can also say we didn't always agree on discussions but we always agreed to disagree if we couldn't agree on an item. 5. I have had several discussions with Bill Cockshutt at antique tractor shows in the 1980s through to the early 2000's concerning tractors and combines. I found these discussions extremely interesting as I was hearing it from an executive and family member of the former Cockshutt Farm Equipment Company. I can say his book "About Cockshutt" is very interesting and is a must read for anyone interested in farm equipment. It was a very interesting period to have lived through and I have heard proponents of both makes extoll the benefits of both makes. In the end it was a moot point as first IH and later John Deere took over the combine market in my area.
  22. That is a Deering Ideal mower circa about 1900. My grandfather had one just like it and also had the grinder just like that one also. The old mower met its fate when we put the Super C on it in the early 1950's. It broke the main cast frame in several places.
  23. 664 CDN: My neighbor finally found and bought a nice clean fifteen foot 1020 for your old 1420. Sorry to interrupt the thread otherwise.
  24. IH distributor made in West Pullman Works, Chicago.
  25. Agree. Looks like a CA Allis to me.
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