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  1. OBG: That picture is a classic. You should submit it to some of the guys writing books on IH. There was a picture my parents had long ago of my grandmother's brother in Foam Lake, Saskatchewan on his wide front Farmall M with a Massey pull type combine in tow doing swathed wheat. I don't know where that picture is now but your picture brought it back to me. Thanks for posting.
  2. Now that was some interesting video. How they ever got those balers to perform at such high speed is beyond me. Of course I have never had the privilege of working a new machine and they probably had better capacity than the well used ones I worked with. George2, it sounds like the McKee Harvester you worked with was pretty labour intensive compared to the modern sixties version I posted the ad of. Here is another ad, a little older, from 1959. Still advertised as a one man machine though. Looks like a Ford up front. Maybe a Ford NAA? My, My, My, Loadstar you sure have the goods. That is the advertisement for the first year the Model S (with cross auger and sucker pipe) was sold. And notice the list of dealers. The dealer for Quebec where I grew up was none other than J.W.(Bill) Davis, our neighbor, and one of my mother's classmates in school. I remember hanging around his shop when they were assembling them and the wagons for shipment to the customers across Quebec. McKee Brothers shipped 7 or 8 of them at a time by road transport knocked down, the 400 miles from Elmira to Lachute and unloaded them at his ramp. The one my uncle had was the older Model D (I think that was the letter). The first one in our area was back in 1954, and then a neighbor bought one in 1955. For 1954 and 1955 they were called the McKee Pneumatic Harvester but the name was changed in 1956 to McKee Shredder harvester. That was the year my uncle bought his. It sure bring back memories of hanging around his welding shop and garage as a pre teen. I have to admit that I, and two friends of mine, learned a considerable amount about machinery around that shop and garage. He also sold McKee double auger snow blowers, Bombardier rubber tracked log skidding vehicles and other used machinery and tractors in addition to operating a full service Texaco service station. But that is all gone now. The last time I was back there was about 5 years ago and all that is left is a gas bar.
  3. George2 , as it happens I do have this 1966 ad for the McKee harvestor. I think I can recall seeing a few of them around here in the sixties-seventies but don't think they ever took over the baling market. I wondered about the Cockshutt tractor on this ad thinking it might be a 550 but not sure if there would be enough horsepower to handle that harvestor. I guess if a W6 with fire crater pistons could do it then the 550 might. I'd say a Perkins diesel powered 560 would be the ideal setup though. Yes that is one of the late ones with the cross auger and sucker pipe. These were built after 1960 and our neighbor where I grew up sold them. The one we had was an earlier 1956 model and did not have the cross auger or the sucker pipe. Instead you stood on the front of the wagon with a pitch fork feeding the crop into it. There was a winch and end gate on the wagon which pushed the hay forward to the front once the front gate was dropped down to become a platform you stood on, while feeding hay into the back of the McKee. Great for losing weight and building muscles!! BTW, the 550 Cockshutt would be ok except where the hay stands were not exceptionally thick or the windrows large. A 560 would be a proper sized tractor in my view. We originally had a little Case VA tractor on it but it made mincemeat of the PTO gears in short order. The next tractor we had was an IH 330 utility on it and while the PTO was fine, the tractor burnt a lot of oil by the time it had 1500 hours on it. Like I said earlier the old W-6 with the Fire Craters was the only tractor that worked well with it . However, I finally got my revenge on the old McKee years later when we had an Farmall 856 . I had to do some pasture renovation and I mowed the field with an IH C-28 mower and raked it with an old rake we had. I then hauled the old McKee out and hooked it to the 856. The idea was just to chop up the timothy hay and blow it back on the field with deflectors on the end of the discharge pipe. So I increased the speed of the 856 until it even made the 856 snort a bit. The old PTO shaft withstood the beating I gave it but the drive belts were slipping so I put belt dressing on them. Worked well after that and cleaned up the field somewhat. The original McKee advertising stated that a Farmall H or W-4 could run it, but from my view that was very optimistic or else the hay around Elmira, ON where it was made was very light. It was, in my view, a piece of equipment that I was glad to see leave my uncles place headed for the scrap yard a few years later.
  4. There were a few 20-C forage harvesters sold in the area I grew up in until the McKee harvester showed up in 1954. McKee sold a lot of them in my area. There were 2 of them within 1 mile of where I grew up. My neighbor became the dealer for them after my uncle bought his from another dealer, and he sold 30 to 40 of them from 1957 to 1962. But by 1963 their day had passed and hay farming was gradually being replaced by cropping after that. I never thought much of taking "the barn to the field and back" myself and forking hay into the McKee from the 24 foot wagon my uncle had wasn't much fun. The only thing that was good for me is that I developed quite a few arm muscles I never thought I had as a teen ager. And it was rough on tractors also. The only tractor that could properly handle it was a rented W-6 with Fire Crater pistons in it. Later I found out that the W-6 had been dyno'd after they were installed and it put out in excess of 50 HP on the PTO. Ralph: If you have any advertisements for the McKee harvester I would be delighted in seeing them. Thanks in advance if you can find one.
  5. Painted green of course with Oliver decals.
  6. They were an Oliver baler painted red. Co-op Federee in Quebec sold quite a few of them.
  7. In the area I grew up in it was about 75% New Holland, about 20% IH and 5% for all other makes. Most of the 5 percent were John Deere and maybe 1% were Massey
  8. Perhaps there was a reason for watching how the knotter tied. In our area the 45 had a bad reputation for busted knots. Our neighbor had one and traded it for a NH Super 77 four weeks after they bought it. Dad told me it was because of bad knots and poor capacity. We had the later 46 baler and even it produced it's share of bad knots. Not enough to make it a big issue but enough to be annoying. Another neighbor has a NH 68 baler and it never missed a knot.
  9. My understanding is definitely the 127 was a 1952 and 1953 combine. The 141 came out in 1954 and ran until 1958. My understanding is that the first production 123 combines were in 1943 and ran until 1946. The 125 came out in 1947 and 1948. The 125SPV was in 1949 and the 125 SPVC was in 1950 and 1951. That is the best I can do from referring to old Tractor Farming and Canadian Tractor Farming magazine advertizements I have of the time period.
  10. IH have had the engine behind the grain tank starting with the 101 in 1957. Next came the i51 and 181. Since then all the larger IH and CIH combines have had the engine behind the grain tank.
  11. On point No 2, JD did not purchase their combine line from Cat. Most people assume JD got started in the combine business with Cat but JD started making their own combines in 1927. JD built their own prototype combine and compared it to a Universal (Gleaner) and a Massey. It out performed the Universal and was on par with the Massey so JD chose to build their own instead of buying out somebody which is interesting because Universal was for sale and was reaching out to JD. By 1936 JD was making the No 5A, No 7, and No 17. JD and Cat had sort of a close relationship back then and offered the 36 combine to JD for nothing. Cat was wanting to get out of the combine business. JD took the deal because they were lacking a hillside combine and wanted more market penetration into the west and northwest. The 55 first hit the market in 1946. Thanks for the update with all the correct details. I had known about the acquisition of the Cat line for many years and before sending out the post last night I decided to check out the references about the acquisition. Strangely enough, the one I read still sticks to the story that Deere paid for the acquisition. However this is a moot point and it has probably got lost in the passage of time. Good post.
  12. A few comments on the last 5 posts: 1. The IH 123 was introduced about 1943. I have that same sales catalogue and I think it is from about 1944 or 1945. 2. The JD combine line was purchased from Caterpillar in 1936 and they had several models prior to the 55. The 55 if I remember correctly was introduced in the late 1940's/early 1950's. 3. Cockshutt was a large competitor of Massey Harris and they both competed vigorously for sales in their territories. If one had something worth copying, then yes the other would copy it. 4. I had the opportunity over my lifetime to have had a good friend who was a combine designer at Massey in the 1970's and eventually became Chief Engineer at Massey Ferguson Combines in Brantford. He and I have had many discussions about combines even to the present day even though we are both retired. I can also say we didn't always agree on discussions but we always agreed to disagree if we couldn't agree on an item. 5. I have had several discussions with Bill Cockshutt at antique tractor shows in the 1980s through to the early 2000's concerning tractors and combines. I found these discussions extremely interesting as I was hearing it from an executive and family member of the former Cockshutt Farm Equipment Company. I can say his book "About Cockshutt" is very interesting and is a must read for anyone interested in farm equipment. It was a very interesting period to have lived through and I have heard proponents of both makes extoll the benefits of both makes. In the end it was a moot point as first IH and later John Deere took over the combine market in my area.
  13. That is a Deering Ideal mower circa about 1900. My grandfather had one just like it and also had the grinder just like that one also. The old mower met its fate when we put the Super C on it in the early 1950's. It broke the main cast frame in several places.
  14. 664 CDN: My neighbor finally found and bought a nice clean fifteen foot 1020 for your old 1420. Sorry to interrupt the thread otherwise.
  15. IH distributor made in West Pullman Works, Chicago.
  16. Agree. Looks like a CA Allis to me.
  17. 664CDN: I never knew what the displacement of the engine was on the one I serviced. but in hot rod books back then they said the US 1954 Ford with the valve in head engine was also 239 cubic in. They said the 1954 Mercury was 256 cu in while the 1953 flat head was 255 cu in. As far as I know all the oil filter and tune up charts said the 272 did not show until 1955 in the Ford and the 292 in the Mercury. Then in 1956 the displacements were increased to 292 in the Ford and 312 in the Mercury. That is what I remember of that time in my life when not going to school, I was a grease monkey.
  18. I don't know about any frame differences. All I know is I serviced the car when he came in for gas. The first time I lifted the hood, it was quite a shock to me. I thought it may have been a transplant but he bought it new just after the 1955 models came out. Later on I talked to a Ford guy who explained what happened and that there were a very few at the end of production with the new V-8. I have also seen later 312 4 bbl engines transplanted into the 1949 -1951 models at the dirt track back around 1960 - 1962. They were fast and obviously any frame differences didn't stop them in modifying the cars. Another friend in high school had a 1949 Ford that he put two transmissions in series to go slow enough for the snow blade he put on the front of it for driveways. He had a long pipe lift arm that he would reach out the window to lower it to the plowing position. He also had another 1949-1951 that he had souped up for the figure 8 track. He drove it in the races at St Eugene, ON and if there was ever a nerve racking form of racing that was it. I would just turn my head and look away when he was on the track with that thing. But he never got ran into. Lucky. Later on he had a 1965 Barracuda hatch back that was a hot car.
  19. Like I said before, true except for the last few produced in July 1954. They switched to the OHV engines for the final run of 1954's because they ran out of flatheads. One used to stop regularly at the gas station I worked at during supper hour in 1960 and 1961. Used to check his oil with every fill up.
  20. Loadstar: Lincoln was into the HP race in 1952 with their new 317 cu in V8 "truck" motor. It also put out 160 HP but only had a 2 barrel carburettor. What always surprised me was that Ford did not put this engine in the Mercury and instead continued to run the 255 cu in flathead. I know it was a different and larger engine than the 239, 256, 272, 292, and 312 engines even though it looked similar. What I don't know is if the 332, 352, 390 etc were derived from the 317 or whether they were brand new engines in 1958-1960. I do know the big 462 Lincoln engine was in the lincolns by 1961 and I think it was a "new" engine, as it appeared to be much larger than anything before.
  21. I had heard the Hudson Super Hornet was very fast also. Lots of write ups about it in the motor magazines back in the 1950's. However, there wasn't any Nash Hudson dealer in my home town or anywhere else around. There were scads of Oldsmobiles however. By 1956 Mercury was doing much better with the 312 4 barrel in the Mercury. My uncle had one of them and it was also fast like the Oldsmobile.
  22. Loadstar: Yes she was powerful. My friend timed it one day with his second hand on the watch. It did 0-60 in 10 seconds.
  23. Loadstar: On the address OBG gave for the brochures for the old cars, take a look at the competition the Mercury had in 1952. Specifically the 1952 Oldsmobile Super 88 with it's 303 cu in Rocket engine and 4 barrel Rochester Quadra jet carburettor. It was advertised at putting out 160 HP. My parents bought one in 1958 and I learned to drive in it. What a powerhouse!
  24. The hard part was driving with the door open to keep it cool enough to concentrate on the job. And if the wind was in the right direction.............well you guessed it. I will tell you that harvesting winter wheat with the 1460 was one huge improvement. I still felt refreshed at the end of the day!
  25. Back 25 years ago I owned two late model 715 combines. One was a 1978 build and the other was a 1979 build. I had 13 foot 820 soybean headers on both of them. I had an extra combine operator back then so it worked out well. I bought the 1978 model new and both were very good combines in corn and soybeans. The only problem with them is that neither one had air conditioning so combining wheat was always miserable. I got tired of that and dealt the both of them off on a good used 1460 around 1995.
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