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  1. 10 hours ago, hillman said:

    heres another BK





    Also note the 52 tractor trailer behind the baler. There was only one 55 T baler (that I know of) in the area I grew up in and I saw it once at the dealer's in 1955.

  2. On ‎04‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 6:48 PM, hillman said:

    That Rice brochure is very nice and I will look for one.

    This McCormick Deering brochure is Canadian and it gives equal billing to the W Series as compared to the Farmall line. From what I am told and what I see the W Series was promoted a little more in Canada than the USA




    Hillman: Can you check to se what year that brochure was published in. I have the same brochure but it shows the new Farmall tractors and the old 10-20, W-30, and W-40 standard tractors. The lower left corner has about one half inch torn off it but what I see is xxx165-DD 3-7. The suffix DD gives the year and I suspect this is  a spring 1940 edition since the new Farmalls are shown but still show the old standard tractors. Does yours have the EE (1941) or FF (1942) suffix's? 

  3. 19 hours ago, Michael Halsall said:

    Canadian issued brochure, it mentions the B-250 which I don;t believe was sold in the US. I assume that the 330 was sold a the gasoline alternative to the B-250 diesel 

    The B250 was not sold in the USA. The B275 and B414 were sold in the USA. The B250 was not power equivalent to the 330. The 330 had 35 PTO HP. The B250 had 28 PTO HP. The Farmall 230 also had 28 PTO HP. The B414 at 36 PTO HP was equivalent to the 330, 340, 404, 424, 434 in PTO HP. The 504 at 46 PTO HP was a bit larger but built on the same chassis as the 330, 340.

  4. The diesel version was in the same brochure on another page. I have that same SW6-TA  brochure.  No factory LPG models. One of my friends father had a SW6-TA and after it was traded ended up on our neighbor's place.  The same neighbor also had a SW4.

  5. 3 hours ago, hillman said:

    I know Ross' brother Bruce ( got a bunch of IH stuff from him too ) He was the service manager at the Norwich Co Op IH dealership and their bil was Barry Baxter who owned another IH dealership in Brantford. 




    Yes, I met Barry Baxter once when I went down to Brantford to buy a Farmall 450 from him back in the mid 1970's. But I wasn't fast enough. It was sold a few hours before I got there. But it was a nice trip thru that part of Ontario in the summertime and saw a lot of tobacco growing back then. I am more familiar with the Glencoe, Rodney, Bothwell and Ridgetown areas since that is where my in laws live. I gather you live further east in the Aylmer to Norwich area.

  6. 1 hour ago, Brady Boy said:

    Here's another W-4, George.  BK


    That is rare. It is the fall 1940 issue. I have a similar issue with the W4, W6, W9, WD9 all together in the brochure. It is interesting that the WD6 was not included in it. Perhaps the WD6 was not released until the following spring. Note the 24 inch rear wheels. Later units (after the war?) had the 26 inch wheels.

  7. Or should I say Glencoe clay. Some of the toughest clay in Ontario. I am not sure which is worse, the Haldimand clay or the Glencoe clay. By the way Case IH in the development of the 7500 plow tested it in the Glencoe area before taking it to northwest Ohio for some more tough clay. They had it on a 7120 2 wd tractor in the fall of 1990. I know the gentleman who was the project engineer for that plow and talked to him a couple of times about it. The day I saw it, it was parked at Ross Wilson's dealership.

    I have the SW6 brochure and the SWD9 brochures. I got them when I was a kid. Nice pictures of an enjoyable period in my life.   

  8. Thanks, Hillman. I just have to find one now. Is that the Canadian version you have? Two of our neighbors had Super W-4's and another had a 1952 W-4 with the live pump and a loader.

  9. Very nice 656 restoration. I also own a Farmall 656 gas gear drive and of all the IH tractors I have driven over the years it is one of my favorites. Mine is called "Old reliable" as it will start unassisted in any weather. The 686 also is a favorite but it is a diesel and is noisier. Sooner or later I will get mine painted like yours. This year I replaced the clutch and maybe next year I will get the engine overhauled. But it is one step at a time. 

  10. That is the same as the 650 catalog. I wonder if they airbrushed the 600 catalog to get the 650 catalog. And yes the price of some of these brochures is getting expensive today. I wonder what my 4300 brochure would be worth today. I haven't seen one advertised on ebay so I don't know. Anyway I do not intend on selling any of them. That will be a job for my son when I pass on. I am still looking for a Super W-4 catalog. I had one when I was 7 years old but my sister got hold of it one time and she ripped it up on me because I wouldn't play with her. Such is life.   

  11. 11 hours ago, Loadstar said:

    Yes, I remember helping my dad pull the engine out of the Massey Harris 60 after removing the right side tire. I don't recall the 510 V8 being noisy, probably got  little heat through the firewall. I could have opened the window and put my hand on the carburetor it was so close. Luckily it had a very good and trouble free air conditioning system on it. I did have the Perkins 354 in the 550 which was really just a 510 with some different sheet metal. That engine was a tight fit. I know I wanted to replace a leaking valve cover gasket one time and found I could not remove the cover without lifting the cab. I gave up on the idea. The 550 is long gone but I've still got the new gasket if anybody needs one :-)

    Back in 1975 I would say that these 7 series Masseys were the most popular combine in the area. 


    75 MF combine.jpg

    Initially there were a lot of 750/760 combines sold in my area. But as time wore on that changed. After 1978 when the 1480 was introduced several were traded in on 1480 combines. Some 750's also traded in on 1460's. Once the 1600 series came out the Masseys pretty well disappeared from this area and their market was split between CIH and JD. There is only one relatively new Massey now in our area. I know of at least of 5 newer CIH and 5 newer JDs in my local area (5 miles radius).   

  12. 1 hour ago, Big Bud guy said:

    I have two sources including one put out by people of this website that state the 151 was introduced in 1957.  I also have a serial number list that starts in 1958.  So you could say mine is a 58' and I would be fine with that.  I was just going by the original ops manual.  Is it possible that you Canadians didn't necessarily get new equipment offerings the same exact time the US did?  I know JD did things up there a little differently.  Also my 151 has the 141 header sickle drive while later 151s used the same drive as the 03 series.   

    What you say makes sense and agrees with the info I have. The 101 first saw production in 1957, the 151 first production in mid 1958 and the 181 may also have been first produced in mid to late 1958. That would explain the IH Farmers Catalog saying they were both new for 1959. And that is exactly like they did with the 80 being first produced in 1959 but not advertised until 1960. Good discussion.

    In the east Massey and Cockshutt to some extent dominated the SP combine market back then. I have never seen a 181 in Ontario and only one 151 model. There were quite a few 101's however. Quite a lot of 91's also. It wasn't until the 403 and 503 came out that IH became popular. There were a substantial number of 403's sold as soon as people started growing grain corn and they found out the small 105 and 315's didn't have the muscle to cut it.  A lot of people didn't like the noisy operators platform of the MF 410 and 510 (like as you said). And Cockshutt had been reorganized by that time. Finally by the time the 715 came out the 715 was immensely popular here. So was the 915.   


  13. 13 minutes ago, Loadstar said:

    Very nice! Although I do have that White brochure I am envious of the hand built replica. It is a good likeness of the real thing. Now you just need to get one of these White 6200 windrowers built to complete the harvest crew. 


    White 6200 swather.jpg

    Was that windrower a rebadged RENN windrower? It looks similar to the Massey unit (455?) that was built by RENN. Another question is, if it is a RENN was that when White abandoned the Kilberry model 502 windrower that Cockshutt and Oliver sold? Kilberry had been sold to Joe MacDonald and he mentions in his biography the loss of the windrower contract and the effect it had on MacDon. Through some skillful marketing Joe was able to place all the already built units with other dealers and CCIL.

  14. 8 hours ago, Big Bud guy said:

    The 151 came out in 1957.  I know because that is what year mine is. 

    Was yours a preproduction model? I have all the Canadian advertising brochures from that period and the Farmers Catalogues and the 151 was declared as NEW in the 1959 issue. Similarly for the 181. The 101 was advertised as new for the 1957 year. Is it possible yours was a 1958 model as IH always made a small advance run the year before full production. Similarly, the model 80 pull type was advertised as NEW in the 1960 Farmers Catalogue. However, my two uncles bought a NEW model 80 in July 1959. One of them knowing that I knew a bit about which models IH had in their catalogue asked me what was the current model. I told him it was the 76. They told me this was a number 80. So I accompanied them when we went to see it and sure enough it was a 80 with a very low serial number and built in the spring of 1959 before the steel strike. The steel strike cost IH a bunch of production that summer. And the advertising didn't start in the farm paper until March 1960. There was a bunch of problems with the pitman drive and ours had to be welded that summer. Then the dealer called my uncles in March 1960 and told him there was an update package of parts to replace the defective pitman rod rocker assembly. His service man came to our place that spring and replaced all the defective parts with the updated parts. That was the good part about IH. If there was a problem they always had a recall and fixed them all. This recall was concurrent with the 460, 560, and 660 final drive modifications and they also fixed all of them. To me it must have been an expensive year for recalls.    

  15. Yes, the Farmall 656 was a very versatile tractor. I have one on my farm and it is my favorite of all the tractors (Including Magnums and a Maxxum). I call mine "Old Reliable" and it will start unassisted on any day of the year anytime. The only thing is that it will not run smoothly on anything less than the super premium 91 Octane gasoline. But that is a small price to pay since I use it less than 50 hours per year.

  16. On ‎27‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 11:09 PM, redturbo said:


    That is an interesting 1939-40 brochure. I have the two brochures that seem to be combined in this one. One is the A& B brochure. The other is the H & M brochure and they are the same coloring and were date coded in late 1939.  

  17. On ‎12‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 1:36 AM, redturbo said:


    Red Turbo: Do you have the International 600 tractor brochure also? It would be nice if you could post it (if you have it). I have the 650 brochure and was wondering how much different the 600 one is. 

  18. 3 hours ago, Loadstar said:

    Thanks for keeping this vintage ads thread from fading into obscurity Urs and Redturbo. I've been busy with harvest the past 2 weeks or more. Finished up last night near midnight. I was thinking as I turned up the heater in the CIH 1660 just a bit against the cool night air, would I still be out here working near midnight if I was on the open Massey Harris 60 my dad used to run when I was a kid? I used to ride along on the ladder, or in the grain tank sometimes but only recall steering the combine once. 

    I don't have an ad for a model 60 handy but here is the big model 90 Massey from 1952. 


    52 MH combine milestone.jpg

    Yes, that test track was at Milliken (now a suburb of Toronto). Back in 1969 I toured the test track with a friend of mine who worked there. They also had a section of road with a surface they called "Belgian pavay". It was pavement full of potholes and small raised lumps. It was like going down a washboard gravel road and shook the guts out of you and the machine you were driving in. 

  19. 7 hours ago, Owen Aaland said:

    I believe those front wheels are also steel cut offs.

    Look at that grille on the M The grille part extends at least 3 inches higher than the regular production models. It puzzles me.

  20. 19 hours ago, redturbo said:


    I have the next revision of that brochure and it includes the WD9 and WD6. That is probably a fall 1940 printing and the revision is a 1941 printing.

  21. I also have that Vol 37, No 3 in 1955 Canadian Tractor Farming magazine. My parents used to get them sent to us starting in late 1954 and continued to get them up into the 1970's . Then I started to get them from my local dealer. I have also bought copies from 1950 to 1954 to complete my collection. I also have some of the US version of Tractor farming from the 1940's and 1950's that I bought from vendors at shows. Sometime about 5 years from now I should sell the collection. One of the good issues was from about early 1963 showing the 4300 that Patricks John Deeres grandfather had in SW Manitoba. I remember looking at the pictures and wondered why such a large tractor was needed. Of course today 300 HP is small in 4wd terms.

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