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George 2

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  1. Also note the 52 tractor trailer behind the baler. There was only one 55 T baler (that I know of) in the area I grew up in and I saw it once at the dealer's in 1955.
  2. Hillman: Can you check to se what year that brochure was published in. I have the same brochure but it shows the new Farmall tractors and the old 10-20, W-30, and W-40 standard tractors. The lower left corner has about one half inch torn off it but what I see is xxx165-DD 3-7. The suffix DD gives the year and I suspect this is a spring 1940 edition since the new Farmalls are shown but still show the old standard tractors. Does yours have the EE (1941) or FF (1942) suffix's?
  3. The B250 was not sold in the USA. The B275 and B414 were sold in the USA. The B250 was not power equivalent to the 330. The 330 had 35 PTO HP. The B250 had 28 PTO HP. The Farmall 230 also had 28 PTO HP. The B414 at 36 PTO HP was equivalent to the 330, 340, 404, 424, 434 in PTO HP. The 504 at 46 PTO HP was a bit larger but built on the same chassis as the 330, 340.
  4. The diesel version was in the same brochure on another page. I have that same SW6-TA brochure. No factory LPG models. One of my friends father had a SW6-TA and after it was traded ended up on our neighbor's place. The same neighbor also had a SW4.
  5. Yes, I met Barry Baxter once when I went down to Brantford to buy a Farmall 450 from him back in the mid 1970's. But I wasn't fast enough. It was sold a few hours before I got there. But it was a nice trip thru that part of Ontario in the summertime and saw a lot of tobacco growing back then. I am more familiar with the Glencoe, Rodney, Bothwell and Ridgetown areas since that is where my in laws live. I gather you live further east in the Aylmer to Norwich area.
  6. That is rare. It is the fall 1940 issue. I have a similar issue with the W4, W6, W9, WD9 all together in the brochure. It is interesting that the WD6 was not included in it. Perhaps the WD6 was not released until the following spring. Note the 24 inch rear wheels. Later units (after the war?) had the 26 inch wheels.
  7. Or should I say Glencoe clay. Some of the toughest clay in Ontario. I am not sure which is worse, the Haldimand clay or the Glencoe clay. By the way Case IH in the development of the 7500 plow tested it in the Glencoe area before taking it to northwest Ohio for some more tough clay. They had it on a 7120 2 wd tractor in the fall of 1990. I know the gentleman who was the project engineer for that plow and talked to him a couple of times about it. The day I saw it, it was parked at Ross Wilson's dealership. I have the SW6 brochure and the SWD9 brochures. I got them when I was a kid. Nice pictures of an enjoyable period in my life.
  8. Thanks, Hillman. I just have to find one now. Is that the Canadian version you have? Two of our neighbors had Super W-4's and another had a 1952 W-4 with the live pump and a loader.
  9. Very nice 656 restoration. I also own a Farmall 656 gas gear drive and of all the IH tractors I have driven over the years it is one of my favorites. Mine is called "Old reliable" as it will start unassisted in any weather. The 686 also is a favorite but it is a diesel and is noisier. Sooner or later I will get mine painted like yours. This year I replaced the clutch and maybe next year I will get the engine overhauled. But it is one step at a time.
  10. That is the same as the 650 catalog. I wonder if they airbrushed the 600 catalog to get the 650 catalog. And yes the price of some of these brochures is getting expensive today. I wonder what my 4300 brochure would be worth today. I haven't seen one advertised on ebay so I don't know. Anyway I do not intend on selling any of them. That will be a job for my son when I pass on. I am still looking for a Super W-4 catalog. I had one when I was 7 years old but my sister got hold of it one time and she ripped it up on me because I wouldn't play with her. Such is life.
  11. Initially there were a lot of 750/760 combines sold in my area. But as time wore on that changed. After 1978 when the 1480 was introduced several were traded in on 1480 combines. Some 750's also traded in on 1460's. Once the 1600 series came out the Masseys pretty well disappeared from this area and their market was split between CIH and JD. There is only one relatively new Massey now in our area. I know of at least of 5 newer CIH and 5 newer JDs in my local area (5 miles radius).
  12. What you say makes sense and agrees with the info I have. The 101 first saw production in 1957, the 151 first production in mid 1958 and the 181 may also have been first produced in mid to late 1958. That would explain the IH Farmers Catalog saying they were both new for 1959. And that is exactly like they did with the 80 being first produced in 1959 but not advertised until 1960. Good discussion. In the east Massey and Cockshutt to some extent dominated the SP combine market back then. I have never seen a 181 in Ontario and only one 151 model. There were quite a few 101's however. Quite a lot of 91's also. It wasn't until the 403 and 503 came out that IH became popular. There were a substantial number of 403's sold as soon as people started growing grain corn and they found out the small 105 and 315's didn't have the muscle to cut it. A lot of people didn't like the noisy operators platform of the MF 410 and 510 (like as you said). And Cockshutt had been reorganized by that time. Finally by the time the 715 came out the 715 was immensely popular here. So was the 915.
  13. Was that windrower a rebadged RENN windrower? It looks similar to the Massey unit (455?) that was built by RENN. Another question is, if it is a RENN was that when White abandoned the Kilberry model 502 windrower that Cockshutt and Oliver sold? Kilberry had been sold to Joe MacDonald and he mentions in his biography the loss of the windrower contract and the effect it had on MacDon. Through some skillful marketing Joe was able to place all the already built units with other dealers and CCIL.
  14. Was yours a preproduction model? I have all the Canadian advertising brochures from that period and the Farmers Catalogues and the 151 was declared as NEW in the 1959 issue. Similarly for the 181. The 101 was advertised as new for the 1957 year. Is it possible yours was a 1958 model as IH always made a small advance run the year before full production. Similarly, the model 80 pull type was advertised as NEW in the 1960 Farmers Catalogue. However, my two uncles bought a NEW model 80 in July 1959. One of them knowing that I knew a bit about which models IH had in their catalogue asked me what was the current model. I told him it was the 76. They told me this was a number 80. So I accompanied them when we went to see it and sure enough it was a 80 with a very low serial number and built in the spring of 1959 before the steel strike. The steel strike cost IH a bunch of production that summer. And the advertising didn't start in the farm paper until March 1960. There was a bunch of problems with the pitman drive and ours had to be welded that summer. Then the dealer called my uncles in March 1960 and told him there was an update package of parts to replace the defective pitman rod rocker assembly. His service man came to our place that spring and replaced all the defective parts with the updated parts. That was the good part about IH. If there was a problem they always had a recall and fixed them all. This recall was concurrent with the 460, 560, and 660 final drive modifications and they also fixed all of them. To me it must have been an expensive year for recalls.
  15. The 141 was introduced for the 1954 harvest season and ran through to 1958. Replaced by the 151 in 1959. The 181 was also introduced in 1959. The 101 was introduced in 1957.
  16. The only close one is the 141 and they were $8000 new in 1956 complete with cutter bar, reel, and grain tank for small grain. This was in eastern Ontario.
  17. The 127 was the last to have chain drives. The 141 was the first to have a fully enclosed gearbox and final drives.
  18. Yes, the Farmall 656 was a very versatile tractor. I have one on my farm and it is my favorite of all the tractors (Including Magnums and a Maxxum). I call mine "Old Reliable" and it will start unassisted on any day of the year anytime. The only thing is that it will not run smoothly on anything less than the super premium 91 Octane gasoline. But that is a small price to pay since I use it less than 50 hours per year.
  19. That is an interesting 1939-40 brochure. I have the two brochures that seem to be combined in this one. One is the A& B brochure. The other is the H & M brochure and they are the same coloring and were date coded in late 1939.
  20. Go to www.tractor-part.com and click on dismantled machines then input 826 and you will see several S/N that have bit the dust. Not an extensive listing but still it helps.
  21. Red Turbo: Do you have the International 600 tractor brochure also? It would be nice if you could post it (if you have it). I have the 650 brochure and was wondering how much different the 600 one is.
  22. Yes, that test track was at Milliken (now a suburb of Toronto). Back in 1969 I toured the test track with a friend of mine who worked there. They also had a section of road with a surface they called "Belgian pavay". It was pavement full of potholes and small raised lumps. It was like going down a washboard gravel road and shook the guts out of you and the machine you were driving in.
  23. Look at that grille on the M The grille part extends at least 3 inches higher than the regular production models. It puzzles me.
  24. I have the next revision of that brochure and it includes the WD9 and WD6. That is probably a fall 1940 printing and the revision is a 1941 printing.
  25. I also have that Vol 37, No 3 in 1955 Canadian Tractor Farming magazine. My parents used to get them sent to us starting in late 1954 and continued to get them up into the 1970's . Then I started to get them from my local dealer. I have also bought copies from 1950 to 1954 to complete my collection. I also have some of the US version of Tractor farming from the 1940's and 1950's that I bought from vendors at shows. Sometime about 5 years from now I should sell the collection. One of the good issues was from about early 1963 showing the 4300 that Patricks John Deeres grandfather had in SW Manitoba. I remember looking at the pictures and wondered why such a large tractor was needed. Of course today 300 HP is small in 4wd terms.
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