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Roger Byrne

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    Racine, Minnesota
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    Antique tractors, trucks, cars, steam engines, gas engines, pre-1922 IHC machinery, 1/8 scale models, all early 1900's technology and I hold Minnesota A-2 and Hobby Steam engineer licenses.

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  1. Well Anson, at least Gary wears the correct cap once and a while. By the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY GARY!! You don't look a day over 79.
  2. I know some people dislike these big collections being broken up and I can understand that. But there is another side dealing with these really big collections and that is the care/maintenance issues. Jerred Ruble and my friendship with him, go back to when we were teenagers in the 60's. I assisted him with several of his restorations over the years and know the amount of work and $$$$$ it took to get them restored. I've also worked with three other major collections over the past 55 years. The problem is when collections grow too large, there isn't the qualified help to maintain them the way they should be. The equipment what will remain in the Ruble Foundation is rare and high quality plus with the reduction in size, it can be better preserved for future generations. I think it's great that the items being auctioned can go to new caretakers where they will be maintained and enjoyed. You noticed I used the term "caretakers". Many of us that restore this antique machinery know that there needs to be others after us, to care for this historical equipment.
  3. Anson . . . get well ! ! How in heII am I supposed to keep Gary in line without your help? Hang in there my friend, I'm pulling for you.
  4. I'd say they are Moreland trucks. They were built in California from 1911 to 1940. Their large 5-Ton model used a dual rear drive with cast wheels like in jeeper61's photo.
  5. Anson, there are two thoughts on why they were built with the radiator back by the firewall. First is that your old buddy Wrangler's grandfathers didn't like the way trucks were starting to take over the freighting business. They convinced the teamster drivers that while standing in line to pick up their loads, that they should "accidentally" back up and crash the back of the wagon into the radiator of the truck behind them and put it out of commission. Remember that even many of the IHC Autowagons were also water cooled and had a radiator out front too. This trick was well know at some of freight terminals back in the early years. Now this may sound like a wild story but remember that in the early days of hauling freight, the competition between the various companies was very fierce. Horse powered wagons were the norm and this newfangled motor truck was looked upon as an unwanted competitor. How that being said, the other reason is that with the radiator behind the engine, it is easier to work on. Another thing that International did on the Shovel Nose trucks, is have the engine and transmission mounted in a sub-frame that can be removed from the main chassis to be worked on. Just remove the hood plus a few bolts and the whole unit can be taken out for repair. It was also common for large companies with a fleet of Shovel Noses would have engine/transmission units ready to exchange. If an engine started knocking or other serious problem, bring it into the shop, pull the unit out and install the a different one. The exchange could be done in less than an hour and the truck would be back on the road. You can take your pick of which version you like . . . both have credibility in history.
  6. Thanks for the positive comment about the restoration hardtail. That variable opening you see on the exhaust manifold is not an exhaust bleed but the regulator for the preheater. The air is taken in that opening and across those fins on the manifold, through the engine block and into the carb by way off that black pipe you see on the carb. It's there to control the air temp going to the carb to prevent it from icing and to help to burn the low grade fuels of that period. That being said, with today's fuels, it does a great job of creating a vapor lock when you shut the engine down and then try to restart it! As far as the engine looking better than the rest of the truck, well there is a bit of a story to that. I originally help give a full restoration on that truck back in 1975 when it was owned by a friend of mine, Wes Foss. About 10 years later his age and health issues caused him to sell his home and his collection. At that time a guy offer to buy his whole collection including the Shovel Nose and his Autowagon (which I had rebuilt a few years earlier). At that time, I didn't have the $$$ to buy the Shovel Nose or the Autowagon, so they went with the rest of the collection. Over the years, the Shovel Nose sat neglected in a dirt floor shed sinking almost up to the axles and was never run. When that guy need to go to a Care Center it was sold to another guy that brought it home and never did anything with it other than wash it off. About 10 years ago, thinking about how much I liked that truck and the memories of time with my old friend Wes, I figured I wanted to find that truck and if possible, purchase it. After a few years I got lucky when a friend of mine (Troy Vetsch) found it for sale on FaceBook over in Wisconsin. I was able to buy the truck in May of 2015. The guy I got it from said they had tried to start it by pulling it around but it wouldn't start so they just parked it back in the shed. It was a damn good thing it didn't start because when I got it home and went to drain the oil, it wouldn't even come out. I pulled the oil pan off and found a mixture of oil and water that had turned into a semi-solid sludge. When I saw that mess, I decided to pull the engine and go through it. The engine itself was in pretty good shape having been rebuilt back in 1975 and not run a lot, but there was a little water damage in the crankcase that needed fixing. After going through the engine I figured I'd may as well repaint it so that is why it looks so nice. I did a number of other repairs to the truck to correct for all the years of neglect including a lot of rework on the wheels and some repainting. The photo below is from 1976 when Wes showed it at a Bi-Centennial celebration.
  7. To the comment Gary made saying my shovel nose a Model 21 . . . well he is sorta right. My 1920 truck's serial number and the data plate indicates it is a Model H however during the later part of 1920, IHC up graded their trucks with a heavier rear spring system and changed from letter designations to numbers. At that time the Model H was changed to a Model 21 and was re-rated from a 3/4 to a 1 ton with those heavier springs. My truck has that heavier spring setup so while being badged as an H, I guess technically it's a 21?
  8. The photo of the International shovel nose truck posted by twostepn2001 could be an F which would be the One Ton version. It appears to have a longer wheelbase than my H. Below are the specs for IHC trucks of that 1914 to 1922 period and the truck pictured on the top of the chart is a G which used the same engine as the 8-16 International tractor.
  9. So Gary thinks he's in my will . . . The old ACME and the International Shovel Nose both use Prestolite tanks and they have those gauges on them too. All of those tanks I've seen on antique cars/trucks have the gauge on them. Henry Ford never offered Prestolite tanks on his cars but I've heard that it was common for dealerships to make the conversion from the carbide generators to the Prestolite tank for customers. Along with the 1911 Open Runabout, my 1914 Touring and the Autowagon have carbide generators.
  10. Yes Gary, records show that the entire 30-60 Case tractor was built in Minneapolis, Minnesota by the Minneapolis Steel & Machinery Company from 1912 to 1916 and only 543 were built. MS&MC produced several different makes of tractors and engines for the early big prairie tractors (including Reeves) and they also started their own line of tractors known as the Twin City in 1911. Dennis got that 30-60 in 2000 and spent years working on it plus a ton of $$$ rebuilding the tractor finishing it in 2006. It was a very major restoration project to get it into the shape it is today.
  11. Yes Gary, that was Dennis's tractor. Here is a link to the auction that show photos of the tractors and the prices they sold for. https://bid.aumannauctions.com/auctions/catalog/id/31046/ Most of the rare tractors were part of the Dennis Powers collection. As a side note, the 15-25 Fairbanks Morse tractor belonged to me back in the mid-1980's. I sold it to my good friend Dennis and at that time the market value was $12,000 . . . . a bit different today. Some of that price change is inflation, but most of this $$$$ increase of the rare tractors, comes from a bunch of what I call "investors" who really don't care about these machines. Many of them are going after "dragging rights" or considering them as investments to make big profits. Unlike guys like Dennis Powers and Jerred Ruble who restored/rebuilt, maintained and operated their tractors, many these other guys wouldn't know how to throw the clutch and certainly never got any grease under their fingernails taking care of them. Yup, I've got a lousy attitude towards those investor type guys.
  12. I hate to add this to my posting a week ago about Jerred Ruble's passing, Eileen Ruble (Jerred's wife) died yesterday, just a week after Jerred.
  13. The world has lost a iconic steam man today, Jerred Ruble of Hanlontown, Iowa past away this morning. He was a great friend for over 50 years and I'm really going to miss him. I talked to him two weeks ago knowing his time was short and while this is a hard pill to swallow, I'm glad his suffering is over.
  14. This photo was posted over on SMOKSTAK by casertractor. It's a great shot of two brand new Internationals leaving the factory. The one on the left appears to be a 20HP Type C Mogul and the other looks to be a 2-speed Type A International maybe a 15HP version. Behind them is a Model F International roadster. These cars had an air-cooled hemi engine with an overhead camshaft. They were NOT successful and were only built for about one year. As far as I know there are only three that exist today.
  15. A page back there was a discussion on Baker Fans and Prony Brake Dynamometers that covered the subject well. Nearly 40 years ago, I wanted to test belt horsepower and along with a couple friends, put together an outfit to do that. I took a well used, outdated M&W tractor PTO Dynamometer that was purchased form an implement dealer who had replaced it with one that could handle the higher horsepower of the newer tractors. There would be no cooling water access at the show grounds so a water/radiator/fan system was used. Some bearings, jack-shaft and pulley were mounted to a frame and even though it was put together in a rush because it was just before show time, it worked well. In fact it was used at the show for over 25 years when it was operated by a competent operator but later, abuse and neglect took its toll. A while back, I figured it was time to get it operational again. Had I know how bad a shape it was in, I wouldn't have started the project. The M&W Hydra-Gauge Dynamometer needed an overhaul as it had been run too hot, burnt the oil and wreaked the seals. Well being this deep into the project, I figured the whole outfit should be rebuilt to a higher standard and improvements made. One of the major items was to improve the cooling system by directly cooling the oil with a large industrial heat exchanger and fan. This also added over 8 gallons of hydraulic oil to the operating system making it nearly 40 gallons. The frame was rebuilt along with the jack-shaft/pulley drive set-up to make it into a more compact unit. The outfit was put to the test a few weeks ago and worked out great. We tested a friends 10-20 Titan along with his 20-30 Oil Pull and both hit their rated horsepower plus. I think Troy will have to put his McCormick Deering 15-30 on it this spring. The way that tractor easily handles a 28" thrashing machine, I'm guessing it puts out a lot better than 30HP. I'm looking forward to also putting my 16-30 Oil Pull and 8-16 International on the Dyno to see what they can do. It's also great to use the the Dyno as it was originally intended, to help you tune your engine carburetor/timing to get the best results.
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