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  1. Popular or unpopular?

    SuperIH, I'm just south of shepherd, Do you know Dave Taylor? I buy parts from him all the time.
  2. Popular or unpopular?

    There were a lot of different things in the mid to late 1950s that affected the farm community directly the farm economy . By 1959 market hogs were selling for about $18 a hundred. Wheat acreage was starting to be controlled by the government. At that time just about everyone grew about 1/4 of their tillable land in wheat in my area. It had been a major cash crop. Also most of the full time farmers milked cows. All the way from 4 or 5 to as many as 18 or 20. A few milked more but not very many. They mainly milked them for household expenses and monthly bills. The milk companies wanted the dairy farmers to build attached milk houses and bulk tanks for grade A milk. The smaller farmers couldn't or didn't want to put that much investment in something that only amounted to a partial amount of their income. Also we started into a recession in 1958. The farm economy had been in a boom caused by world II and the marshal plan. Europe was rebuilt and except for debt, it was standing on its own. So it didn't need the extra farm produce nor the steel and comsumer goods we had been sending. An so we had a glut of stuff we couldn't use or sell. Add in here the farm community and the equipment companies, you end up with a problem and something has to give. We lost four an maybe five International dealers, one or two John Deere, and a couple of Allis dealers during this time frame in the central Michigan area. And Minneapolis-Moline just disappeared for all sense and purposes. So in my mind this is where the 560's and 720's come into play. In our ground we have a few hills and quite a bit of red clay. The John Deere 70's and the Farmall 450's had a hard time pulling 4-14s. The 720s and the 560s were up to the job and I never heard any complants. One of my neighbors who had had a UB MM Traded for a 560 because he couldn't get service for a Moline any longer close to home. The bigger farmers didn't have income squeeze that the smaller farmers did so they bought the bigger tractors. And they were mainly the 720s and 560s. Most of the 720s were gas and about half of the 560s were diesels. Not many of the smaller tractors were sold except for the 620s and the 460s which there were a few around but not many. The 560s sold well into mid 1961 but I don't believe the rear end problem had much to do with it. I believe that the ones that wanted a bigger tractor and could afford it had brought their tractor already. I'm sure that where the faming was different the situation was different. I would be glade to hear anybody elses thoughts on this, Thank you
  3. Popular or unpopular?

    I've always though it was many things. They all add up in time, and what is on the other side depends on when it starts to end. I have always though that IH built the farmall 340 to replace the H. But the farmers that had Hs weren't interested in spending the extra money to buy at that time in their life. The 340 engine was developed in response to MM 335. Thirty five horse power was the new power size for the small farmer and second tractor for the larger farmer. For IH the engine was ready before the tractor so they put it in the chassis of the 350,and called it the 330. It was a cute tractor, but too small for what was really needed. Its time had already passed. The John Deere 2010 was almost the same. It was built for the inter company John Deere farmers to replace the 620-630. It too fell short in horse power, weight and size. IH should have went from the super MTA to the 450. John Deere went from the G to the 70, A better move. But the 70 was still a little short on horse power for a 4 bottom plow in heavier ground. So John Deere fixed that with the 720 and a real three point hitch. I've read when IH went from the 400 to the 450, the President of IH apologized for raising the cost of the 450, $100 over the cost of the 400. I don't understand the logic of that unless the 400 was priced higher then the JD 70. In 1958 a 720 gas, fully equipped, cost just over $4000. I'm not sure what a 450 gas cost at the same time? I know that John Deere past IH in tractor sales in 1957 or 1958 . I don't know whether it was just the 720 or the 720-620 tractors that made the difference. IHs 350 was in between the 620 and 520 power size's. So I'm not sure whether the 620 stole sales from the 350 or not. We can talk about the 560s tomorrow if you want.
  4. 460

    I've never seen very many of the 460 Diesels run very smooth at idle. Once you speed up the rpms they seem to smooth out but some times pop and miss while running. The gas ones seem to start good and run and idle nice. And don't seem bad on fuel as far as I'm concerned. On the diesels I think its all in the stroke of the engine, The longer the stroke the better it fires and starts as long as you can turn it over fast enough so the air doesn't seep past the pistons too much.
  5. I plowed the other day for the first time with the 312 plow. I was really surprised at how well the 312 held its depth. I didn't have to change the depth once I had it set. As the ground dried out it became harder and the plow started to plow 1/2" shallower. So I eased up one notch up on the traction control handle and it settled back down to the eight inches depth that I had been plowing before. Just like the book said. I was very satisfied. But in the spring I'll be trying it on variable type soil that goes from sand to blue clay, that might be a different story. But for now I'm very pleased and a little surprised.
  6. 560 differential repair

    Thanks guys, I didn't know about the crankshafts. I talked to the head mechanic at the local IH dealership a couple of years ago, who was retired, and he told me that they received a 750 pound box of parts for each 560 they had sold before the change at the factory. He said it took two of them at least a full day for the repair on each tractor.
  7. 560 differential repair

    Cornerpost; My serial number is 9543. And the number one is on the very bottom of the serial number tag right next to the triangle and is stamped just like the triangle. Thanks
  8. Vintage Ads

    Yes, and Allis first made the little "40" straight thur in the late thirties early forties, that started IH into building the 42 pull type, The 40 could be pulled and driven with the B Allis-Chalmers. And IH advertised the 42 with the A.

    John Deere made a couple of different spring tooth drags, also Oliver, Massy-Harris made pull type, Ferguson three-point, and also Ford made three point and their were some small companies that made them too.
  10. Vintage Ads

    Up here in Michigan the Massy-Harris company build and sold a lot of Clipper-50s combines in the early to mid 1950s, They were as popular as any of the other company pull types were. Although John Deere starting in 1940 sold a lot of 12A combines, I think that's why massy came out so strong with the clipper 50s and I think they sold for a little less in cost. Although Allis-Chalmers sold quit a few 60s and 66s too. Farmers back then likes them for clover seed. All that seemed to chance after 1959 when the wheat price dropped and government allotments started, their just wasn't as much wheat grown after that. So the small family farmer didn't need a small pull type combine any longer.
  11. Vintage Ads

    I still have an IH 80 combine, I don't think they were as good as the 76 was, they were building two small selfpropells at the time, an at least one of them had the same threshing and separating unit on it so it was cheaper to produce with two or three machines using the same unit. also had a neighbor that farmed with a W9 right up till about 1963 and bought a new farmall 560D to replace it.

    I still use a spring tooth drag just before I plant. I have at least five of them. I've got two different farms that are a couple of miles apart. And don't like to drag them on the road. I have two that are IH, I believe they are 801's if I'm not mistaken. I know, I'm showing my age. They used them a lot up here in Michigan with all the dry beans they use to grow.
  13. 560 differential repair

    My 560D is a early 1958 model. On the serial number tag it has the pyramid stamped into it and also has a number one stamped right next to it. I was wondering if any one knew what the number on it meant. thanks
  14. JD4010 and 4020

    At first I was going to get a little nasty, But I own a 4010D and a 560D both. All I'll say is, If it wasn't for the 4010 there won't have been the 4020. And if it wasn't for the 560 there won't have been the 806. that's all I' going to say... P.S. The 4020 wade 700 to 800 pounds more then the 4010.
  15. My Dad's 560 When Almost New

    I just bought a 312 plow like it for my 560D this last spring, and had to get the seals replaced in the rear cylinder. When it quick's raining I want to try it out, can't wait! I love the tractors and equipment that were built and used in the 1950s & 1960s. I still farm about 100 plus acres and still do it with six tractors of farmall and john deere origin. I 'm picking up older equipment whenever it's available and I can afford it. I still believe most of what I was taught in high school was true, where as today it all seems to be that they tell me it was false. I still believe in the family farms and the communities that they supported. The mega farms of today are like saying that the ford motor company when owned by Henry Ford was just a family business. I know, the farming era that I loved and fought for no longer exists! I guess I was lucky to live when most of your dads and granddads lived and farmed. just my two cents.