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#1 nelson jr

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 06:04 AM

1066 has picked up an odd trait, it will increase the rpm's on it's own and then will drop them back down also. I am assuming since it happens randomly sometimes not at all and other times frequently that it may be dirt related? or possibly a part that is hanging up in the pump? any help would be appreciated thanks for your time
revs go up and down sometimes 600rpm sometimes closer to 1000

#2 Dirtboyz07

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 06:55 AM

There are some friction disks that control your rpm's and they are getting worn out, your pump will need to be gone through. If you need help send me a pm and I can fix it for you or get you a rebuilt.

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1984 Prototype 5388,1976 first built 1086 sn #8601 ,1971 1066 narrow front ,1984 3088 open station , Prototype 1206 sn#508, Super WD 9 Pro Farm pulling tractor , Steiger 9150 , IH 782 Cub Cadet , 1984 1420 combine , Load cell tractors from Hinsdale IH engineering TX148 sn 505 and 501 , experiential 884 XL mfd , experiential 784 mfd .

#3 gonzo 1066

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 10:26 PM

DONT DELAY GETTING IT FIXED. I had to replace a complete engine in a 1086 that had the same symptoms. He let it go and had a complete engine runaway. Ran really really fast untill #1 rod let loose and went through the side of the block. It hit so hard it actually cracked the internal center webbing!!

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#4 Allan in NE

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 08:24 AM

1066 has picked up an odd trait, it will increase the rpm's on it's own and then will drop them back down also. I am assuming since it happens randomly sometimes not at all and other times frequently that it may be dirt related? or possibly a part that is hanging up in the pump? any help would be appreciated thanks for your time
revs go up and down sometimes 600rpm sometimes closer to 1000


Fuel starvation. Have you changed the fuel filters?

Allan

#5 Owen Aaland

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 10:40 AM

If they problem occurs randomly without a change in engine load it is most likely caused by either air in the system are a change in fuel charge pressure due to some obstruction.

If the over speeding occurs when the engine load changes it is almost always caused by slippage of the governor weight assembly in the pump. Normally the first indication of this is when you have the engine under a heavy load and then release the clutch.

#6 nelson jr

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 06:10 PM

Gonzo were you completely unable to shut it down??
I hate to tear it down now as I kinda need it to feed at one farm. It did not happen at all today but was a problem yesterday after the motor warmed up. I am not opposed to pulling the pump off if necessary but with the deep snow I am feeding in I kinda need the old girl.

#7 pete 23

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 07:57 PM

I used to repair a lot of these pumps when the governor slip clutch let loose and they over reved. It was my understanding that they would only run up to like 3500 rpm or so due to the type of walking beam linkage used in these pumps. I wouldn't bet my life on that though. Saw a lot that waited until they could schedule a repair and a lot of customers who would be scared to even run them into the shop. On the other hand, had an engine run away and threw a rod out side of block knocking injection pump off so therefore it stopped. This was caused by the return check valve coming loose, went back inside inj pump and lodged under control sleeve on plunger. IH had previously issued a letter warning of this possible situation and urged us to change that check valve fitting to later style fixed orfice type. To this day, no injection pump repair facility will let a pump leave the place without the fixed orfice fitting. It is common for a inlet metered injection pump like a roosa master to have rpm fluctuations when starving for fuel but have not seen this happen on the ambac pumps.

#8 gonzo 1066

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Posted 18 February 2010 - 09:01 PM

Gonzo were you completely unable to shut it down??
I hate to tear it down now as I kinda need it to feed at one farm. It did not happen at all today but was a problem yesterday after the motor warmed up. I am not opposed to pulling the pump off if necessary but with the deep snow I am feeding in I kinda need the old girl.



This was a customers tractor. His account of it sounded like the minions of **** coming after him. He tried to shut off the fuel to it and couldnt. By the time he got the fuel shut off the turbo had blown a seal and the engine was running one engine oil. Then it got ugly. When the rod broke through the block a ball of fire came out and singed his eyebrows and blew his stocking hat off of his head. The photo I loaded is poor quality but you will see both #1 and 2 rods broke and came through the block. Fuel pump work may not be cheap but the alternative is very expensive.


Interesting side note. This was on a 1086 that was used to run a TMR box at a Dairy here in Washington state.

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"Rooster" 1066 puller tractor,
 "Banty" 666 7000# Puller toy, 312 3-LM Has stuff done to it.
"Emmy Lou" 1939 M , 1939 Farmall H (to be named later)
'  F-1206, 2WD 5088  1066 to be restored
2 782 Cadets 1 repowered. CanAm OutlanderMax650
 Dodge Cummins truck 2013"Buckweet"yes its automatic transmission
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Can am outlander Max, XT Honda ST 1100
Torchmate CNC Plasma cutting table



 


#9 nelson jr

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 09:36 PM

I'll be alot more scared when I get done laughing. Tractor did not do it at all today either, if some of this snow melts off i can go back to feeding with the smaller equipment hopefully by monday or so.

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Posted 20 February 2010 - 07:37 AM

Very well said Gonzo, $850.00 for a pump won't go very far on a complete motor !!!!! The last one I bought from Case IH was 5800.00 plus labor :wacko:

Danny
1984 Prototype 5388,1976 first built 1086 sn #8601 ,1971 1066 narrow front ,1984 3088 open station , Prototype 1206 sn#508, Super WD 9 Pro Farm pulling tractor , Steiger 9150 , IH 782 Cub Cadet , 1984 1420 combine , Load cell tractors from Hinsdale IH engineering TX148 sn 505 and 501 , experiential 884 XL mfd , experiential 784 mfd .