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Allan in NE

DuAl 3100 Loader

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Can anyone tell me what holds up the mainframe when ya back out of this quick-tach loader? Is there supposed to be some kind of a stand affair that should come down or something?

Thanks,

Allan

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I can't think of what a 3100 looks like but if it has a frame that wraps around the front of the tractor, you use the hydraulics to lower that to the ground and let it set on that. If it doesn't have the wrap around frame, it almost has to have stands that are supposed to hook on the loader arms. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Jerry

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Here is a picture of one setting on a couple of drums. The thing should stand on it's own if it's a quick-tach, shouldn't it?

Yes, it has that "wrap around" frame that fits in a "U" iron on the front of the tractor and into a couple of horizontal "V"s at the belly mount.

Allan

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There should be a stand that folds down when you back out. It matches the main frame work that goes around the front of the tractor. Seems like it is made out of 1/1/2" or 2" angle iron and is hinged so when you drive it folds up and when you back out it falls down.

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This is how my Westendorf stands when dismounted.

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I think that loader should work the same way. Just back away and extend the cylinders so that the frame rests on the ground. Unhook the hoses and it's off. It takes me about 2 minutes to take mine off and 4 to put it on.

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Thanks Cliff!

That would be the joker. I see that one came off an IH. I can see the belly truss in the bucket. :D

Allan

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The stand for the 3100 will easily hold it up, and works like a champ. I still own two Dual Loaders and have own several other Dual Loaders in the past and never had the stand not work. They are easier to remove than an Westendorf Loader, you don't need extra long hoses and when on the tractor they are tight and not lose like a Westendorf Loader.

The mountings for several of the Dual Loaders are the same, So I have mountings on several Tractors and can use what ever tractor I want on what ever loader. I have abused my Dual Loaders and never broke one. Can't say that about the two Westendorf Loaders I have had. They still make the 3100 Dual Loader under the woods name. Woods bought Dual and then Tisco bought Woods and the Quality of the Loader have went down.

Allen If you need measurements I can take them off my 3100, It is on my 856 and would not take a second to remove.

Ron

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The stand for the 3100 will easily hold it up, and works like a champ. I still own two Dual Loaders and have own several other Dual Loaders in the past and never had the stand not work. They are easier to remove than an Westendorf Loader, you don't need extra long hoses and when on the tractor they are tight and not lose like a Westendorf Loader.

The mountings for several of the Dual Loaders are the same, So I have mountings on several Tractors and can use what ever tractor I want on what ever loader. I have abused my Dual Loaders and never broke one. Can't say that about the two Westendorf Loaders I have had. They still make the 3100 Dual Loader under the woods name. Woods bought Dual and then Tisco bought Woods and the Quality of the Loader have went down.

Allen If you need measurements I can take them off my 3100, It is on my 856 and would not take a second to remove.

Ron

Long story, but the one I'm looking at is the very one that originally came off my 1066 when I bought the tractor. Dealer still has it along with all the hardware. 'Taint a bad old loader and I was thinking maybe of picking it up.

Tell me how that works. Ya pull the pins at the rear of the loader, back up and that gizmo comes down after ya clear the front end? Then ya unhook the hydraulics? Is that how it works? Does that front piece that mounts to the front of the tractor have a slide rail to it back along the side of the tractor that the mainframe sets/slides on?

Thanks, I'm kind of a dummy and can't see it in my mind how they hook/unhook from the tractor other than those pins.

Allan

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The stand for the 3100 will easily hold it up, and works like a champ. I still own two Dual Loaders and have own several other Dual Loaders in the past and never had the stand not work. They are easier to remove than an Westendorf Loader, you don't need extra long hoses and when on the tractor they are tight and not lose like a Westendorf Loader.

The mountings for several of the Dual Loaders are the same, So I have mountings on several Tractors and can use what ever tractor I want on what ever loader. I have abused my Dual Loaders and never broke one. Can't say that about the two Westendorf Loaders I have had. They still make the 3100 Dual Loader under the woods name. Woods bought Dual and then Tisco bought Woods and the Quality of the Loader have went down.

Allen If you need measurements I can take them off my 3100, It is on my 856 and would not take a second to remove.

Ron

Long story, but the one I'm looking at is the very one that originally came off my 1066 when I bought the tractor. Dealer still has it along with all the hardware. 'Taint a bad old loader and I was thinking maybe of picking it up.

Tell me how that works. Ya pull the pins at the rear of the loader, back up and that gizmo comes down after ya clear the front end? Then ya unhook the hydraulics? Is that how it works? Does that front piece that mounts to the front of the tractor have a slide rail to it back along the side of the tractor that the mainframe sets/slides on?

Thanks, I'm kind of a dummy and can't see it in my mind how they hook/unhook from the tractor other than those pins.

Allan,we used have one on a 1486.I curled the bucket under then pulled the pins.Unhook the hoses before backing up.Hydraulics are not need.

Allan

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Allen

There are two mounting frames that are on each side of the tractor frame rails at the front. The Loader sides on these when you mount or dismount the loader. Also the front of the loader rest on these mounts when in use. There are hooks on the loader frame that hooks under these mounts to hold the front of the loader on the tractor.

The rear of the loader has a a V shape piece that hooks in to a pin on the rear mounts, a off set piece falls down behind the pin when you drive in to the loader and holds the loader on the tractor. there are two safety pins that hold the off set pieces in place. As parts wear the off set piece falls down farther and holds the loader tight.

To remove the loader unhook the Hydr. hoses, unlatch the off set pieces and back out. The stand falls down and you are good to go.

They are one of the best loaders on the market. I have owned 6 Dual Loader loaded a lot of hay and feed a lot of cattle, along with being abused and never welded on one.

Hope the scan comes out.

If the scan does not come out, I can take pictures of mine and post.

Ron

Hope this scan comes out

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Well,

Now that's just about darned near perfect! Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it!

I suppose if I wanted to mount the thing on my little Hydro 70, that it would require a whole different set of mounting brackets?

Thanks again,

Allan

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The 706, 806, 1206, 756, 856, 1256, 1456 are all one mounting kit

The 766, 966, 1066, 1466, 1566 and the Hydro counter parts are the same. The 86 series mounts are the same as the 66 series.

Dual has what they call their axle push mounts and what they call their drawbar push mounts. The only difference is in the rear mount, they push from the axle or draw bar. If you are on 30 inch rows You need the draw bar kit. Both mounting kits are available for all International Tractors

I have several extra mounts around here. I think one is for an Allis and one is for the 856 international. I always buy extra mounts in case I buy another tractor.

I have several extra buckets, one with a grapple, forks, boom, bale spear, manure bucket with teeth, and several other attachments

Ron

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Allen we had a 3100 on a 1486 and also would switch to the 656 in the summer the 6s mounts are wider so yes it take 2 different ones

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Allan, I have a Dual 3100 on my Hydro 70 with the Dual factory brackets. I have a Dual 345 that I want to put on the Hydro 70 and put the 3100 on my 1466 or 966. I already have the 345 loader and brackets to mount it, I just need to take the time to do it.

Are your brackets for the 1066 the factory Dual brackets or something someone cobbled together? I might be interested in trading brackets, it would make things easier for both of us.

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I have all draw bar push mounts on my tractors. I'm set on 30 inch rows and do not want to change tires. I have had this mountings, along with a 3100 or 3600 Dual Loader on this tractor for over 12,000 hours and nothing has broke.

My friend still has my old 3000 Dual Loader ( it is just an older 3100) he has it on his 1456. I put 10,00 hours on it on an 806 and he has a lot of hours on his 1456 and nothing has broke. If he can not tear up a piece of equipment no one can.

Ron

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Allen we had a 3100 on a 1486 and also would switch to the 656 in the summer the 6s mounts are wider so yes it take 2 different ones

Wow!

That would be so darned slick to be able to swap from one tractor to the other 'cause I just don't have a lot of time during my day to be dingin' around.

The mounts it has now are for the 1066 size and it pushes from the front of the drawbar mount under the belly.

Thanks guys!

Allan

Allan, I have a Dual 3100 on my Hydro 70 with the Dual factory brackets. I have a Dual 345 that I want to put on the Hydro 70 and put the 3100 on my 1466 or 966. I already have the 345 loader and brackets to mount it, I just need to take the time to do it.

Are your brackets for the 1066 the factory Dual brackets or something someone cobbled together? I might be interested in trading brackets, it would make things easier for both of us.

They're the factory brackets, but I'd kinda like to be able to mount the loader on either tractor depending on how the workload is going at any one point in time. Also, in the winter, it would be nice to put it on my gasser Hydro 70.

I really, really hate starting a diesel for short duration jobs when it is cold.

Allan

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The 3000, 3100, 3600 loaders Will work on the same tractors.

The 3650 and 3150 Dual Loaders are different. They are a wider sub frame loader for the bigger John Deere (4640 ect) and Magnum Tractors.

The bucket from a 3100, 3150, 345 and 340 are the same. The bucket for the 3600 and 3650 are the same.

I have a 3600 and it will lift about 17 feet. The 3100 will lift about 15 feet. There are pins you can change to change the lift height and digging depth.

I have mounts on several tractors and it is nice. If a Loader is at one farm and I want to use it, usually there is a tractor with mounts that is also there.

Also you don't have to have all those hose hanging on the tractor like the Westendorf Loaders.

Ron

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The 3000, 3100, 3600 loaders Will work on the same tractors.

The 3650 and 3150 Dual Loaders are different. They are a wider sub frame loader for the bigger John Deere (4640 ect) and Magnum Tractors.

The bucket from a 3100, 3150, 345 and 340 are the same. The bucket for the 3600 and 3650 are the same.

I have a 3600 and it will lift about 17 feet. The 3100 will lift about 15 feet. There are pins you can change to change the lift height and digging depth.

I have mounts on several tractors and it is nice. If a Loader is at one farm and I want to use it, usually there is a tractor with mounts that is also there.

Also you don't have to have all those hose hanging on the tractor like the Westendorf Loaders.

Ron

Sheesh, take it easy on my Westendorf :huh::D

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The 3000, 3100, 3600 loaders Will work on the same tractors.

The 3650 and 3150 Dual Loaders are different. They are a wider sub frame loader for the bigger John Deere (4640 ect) and Magnum Tractors.

The bucket from a 3100, 3150, 345 and 340 are the same. The bucket for the 3600 and 3650 are the same.

I have a 3600 and it will lift about 17 feet. The 3100 will lift about 15 feet. There are pins you can change to change the lift height and digging depth.

I have mounts on several tractors and it is nice. If a Loader is at one farm and I want to use it, usually there is a tractor with mounts that is also there.

Also you don't have to have all those hose hanging on the tractor like the Westendorf Loaders.

Ron

Sheesh, take it easy on my Westendorf :huh::D

Thats ok, I'd rather have a Westendorf as well ;) Slick setup to put on/take off.

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