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Kind of amazing to see "new" and "old" pics of a 123 SP even if the new was a few years ago.  I guess maybe someone somewhere has probably restored a 123 SP but if they have I haven't seen any pics. I wish l would've got more and better pics of this one but bees were swarming all around and l didn't want get'em stirred up and mad at me.

 

 

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Thanks for the pictures of that 123 SP,  twostepn2001! You can tell by the clean grain elevator that the grain tank has been lowered and an unloading auger added. My uncle Audie had one that would be a spittin' image of this one. His did still have red paint on it though. Gary;)

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Another slooow a$$ day down here in the Mississippi Delta for this ol' codger.

Several days ago-----I woke up dreaming that I wuz hearing a song.  Was gonna ask my wife to turn the volume up-----but it wuz just a dream.

If I can get the Professor to provide music with his accordian and  guitar-----we will record it.  Went something like this:

........the train,  the train----------the train blew it's whistle;

------------------but the locomotive wouldn't go!!

And--------this should qualify for posting on this thread since we talk about, accordians, guitars, trains, whistles, plus a few old tractors.  (may be the train was hauling some Farmall Regulars?)

In the case of my song-------I must be the locomotive!!!  You gotta be brave to get old-----------damm sure ain't much fun.

Gotta take my hat off to a fellow like Roger's friend Mr. Bud---------and thank ol' Roger for lending a hand.

Gonna go over and snap some shots of the transmission and engine on the 125 SP------will post up later.

 

DD

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We were talking about the engine/transmissions on the 123 and 125 combines.  

Here are some shots of our old 125-SP converted to a lift hoist.  Think it had a 13 ft header as a combine.

 

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I suspect this transmission is a 4 speed truck transmission.  The large housing in front of transmission houses the clutch and threshing machine drive.

Don't know when they did away with the chain driven final drives-----but this was hi-tech in 1950.

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Shift pattern-----it's in 1st (marked low).  Shifter is still free-----due to flexing of the operator platform under heavy load as a hoist----I trimmed out the slots for 2nd and reverse.  

 

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Green Diamond engine (complete with green vines)  Imagine servicing the ignition with the hopper on top of engine and threshing mechanism standing tall on this side.

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wide fixed steering axle--------(with the added weights)-----it needed "strong" ARMSTRONG steering without some load out front.  Never remember it being that bad as a combine.

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Tires rotted out is reason I quit using it.   Thought I would replace the drive tires with heavy truck rims/tires and do away with steering axle by hitching direct to tractor drawbar.  But-------that project keeps getting moved forward for some reason!!!!:huh:

edit:  this old critter slept under the implement shed in the background for years and before that under a large wooden shed that got blown away in 1973.  We got lots more use out of it as a lift hoist than as a combine.

 

DD 

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yeah, that drive train on the 125 looks truck. i may have been thinking of another make combine. i remember seeing an early oliver that used a complete oliver model 60 tractor trans-diff assembly, using the tractor brakes, only difference was it had one long axle. i have a early case combine that also uses a model v case tractor trans-diff assembly. the early MM combine also used model R trans. components. anson looks like your winch, gin pole rig was real handy!

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Yes, Anson, the engine and transmission are the same as in Dad's old K-5 truck. Same engine, same shift pattern. I'd forgotten that in the past 50 years. They were the same on the 123 SP as well. Gary;)

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The 127 was the last to have chain drives. The 141 was the first to have a fully enclosed gearbox and final drives.

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Thanks for the info George.

The differential was a common use item from other vehicles also-----but I don't remember which one.  I had a neighbor who was an old dirt track racer that tried to buy the differential from me for several years.  He told me where it came from-----but no longer in my "rememberer".

 

 

DD 

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A couple more shots from the old 125 SP converted to a hoist.

Prize winning Tulsa winch I picked up for $35 and converted to a hydraulic drive (orbit motor mounted on rear).  The oil reservoir (to rear of winch) is a 8N Ford gas tank------my dad had converted everything to L-P in early 50's including the combine.

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And------I have always been fascinated with the chain driven final drives.  That's a big reduction with the small sprocket to big sprocket ratio.

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Original 15 x 26 rice & cane tires

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Anybody know what a 125 SP sold for back in the early 50's??

 

DD

 

 

 

 

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A busy, busy, busy day today. We fired the engines to put them away for the winter, in their hibernation spot. That includes, draining water tanks, draining boilers and taking hand hole plates out, washing out the boilers and putting fans in them to dry the boilers. Temperature was 57 when I left for Silver Creek. By the time we were inside with the engines, it started snowing and turned cold (darn cold). Perfect timing, other than it is going to get warmer toward the end of next week.

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While we had the engines fired, we had some friends in to "enjoy" our company and have a hot dog.

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Some rides were given to our guests. After lunch, they all had to leave and it was trying to snow and the temperature dropped nearly 20 degrees, with wind. After they left Mike hooked up the Reeves to his fan.

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Then we proceeded to put stuff back into the shed.

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The engines at the back of the shed, next to the shop, where the Reeves and Case "cohabitate" for the winter!

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Randy was smart enough to fix my camera to do a timed photo. Me (OBG), Mike and Randy.

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We were putting the tractors back inside. This was them lined up outside.59eabada09126_TractorsandTruckslineduptoputawayinshed10-20-17.thumb.jpg.fed829121c2a351483246280d0251972.jpg

L-R: Randy's IH Farmall A "Aimee," the McCormick-Deering TD-40 TracTracTor "Fred," Farmall M "Toot," IH Farmall H "Annie," McCormick-Deering Farmall F-12 "Johnny," and Mike's 300 Utility. I don't know its name?? Then two Ford one ton trucks, two Craftsman tractors, and Mike's four wheeler.

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A rear view. Gary;)59eaba55863e0_IHTractorsandFordTrucksreadytoputbackinshed10-20-17.thumb.jpg.abcbd4594b9c664918d16dea5647adbd.jpg 

PS: Six of these tractors are IH Tractors on a Montana Farm

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After putting all of the tractors to bed for the winter----------hopefully the Professor can practice up on playing the accordian and guitar at the same time.

I am anxious to get into the recording studio and get started on my latest hit record.:blink::rolleyes::unsure:

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Anybody know sales price of 125 SP combine in the 1950 era??

 

DD

 

 

 

 

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Here is my Case Sp12 I saved from the scrapper.   The Sp 12 and the Sp 9 were the first self propelled Case combines and they were introduced in 1947.  The only major differences was the engines, header size, and the length of the separator between the two.  The 12 used a Case DE engine and VAC series transmission and rear.  Case did not spend a lot of money developing this combine since all they are is their pull type combine I think a K2 with a tractor transmission, seat, and steering wheel added.   There is no clutch, used a big straw rack instead of straw walkers, and you set on the wrong side.  Crude as it might be it still had the advantage of variable speed propulsion and finger auger features that IH did not until have until into the 50s. 

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That Case combine looks to be near field ready Big Bud.

I remember a neighbor having a Case at the same time my dad was running the 125 SP.  Don't remember the model (seemed a little larger than yours?)-----but still have a big scar above my right elbow from practicing parachute jumps off the rear of the operators platform.  Combine was parked under shed along with the 125---------wind currents must have got me;----------I snagged a piece of orange iron in free fall!!!!!:o

There were always a number of Case combines in our local area------we had a real good local Case dealer. (they continue as the current dealer)

DD 

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8 hours ago, Delta Dirt said:

That Case combine looks to be near field ready Big Bud.

I remember a neighbor having a Case at the same time my dad was running the 125 SP.  Don't remember the model (seemed a little larger than yours?)-----but still have a big scar above my right elbow from practicing parachute jumps off the rear of the operators platform.  Combine was parked under shed along with the 125---------wind currents must have got me;----------I snagged a piece of orange iron in free fall!!!!!:o

There were always a number of Case combines in our local area------we had a real good local Case dealer. (they continue as the current dealer)

DD 

The Sp 12 was replaced by the 120 and then the 150.  I have brochures for all three of them.  The separator size was the same on all three of them but Case did make the grain tanks bigger, raise the ops platform, and add bigger tires make them look bigger then the original SP 12.  What is neat on the 12 is you can engage the unloading auger from the other side too standing on the ground.  This is only the 2nd right side platform Case combine I have seen which is why I grabbed it.  Unfortunately if its going to be restored somebody else is going to do it.  If you look close you can see the shift pattern cast into the top of the transmission.  Obviously you can't see it sitting up on the combine in the seat but you could when its used on the V tractor.  Just another clue its a tractor transmission. 

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Gary, if I remember correctly from following this thread, you were raised around the Moore/Eddie's Corner area?  As it turns out, I will be in your old stomping grounds this week. My directions were "The ranch is five miles north of Eddie's Corner, be there on Thursday morning."  Going to be kinda neat for an Iowa boy to travel to parts of the country I've been reading about on here for the last few years!

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2 hours ago, ihrondiesel said:

Gary, if I remember correctly from following this thread, you were raised around the Moore/Eddie's Corner area?  As it turns out, I will be in your old stomping grounds this week. My directions were "The ranch is five miles north of Eddie's Corner, be there on Thursday morning."  Going to be kinda neat for an Iowa boy to travel to parts of the country I've been reading about on here for the last few years!

Ron, It sounds like you're going to be in the Ross Fork Creek & Judith River country. I may have known names of forerunners of the place you're heading? I find I don't know any of the 45 year old "kids" who've taken over their parent's places. I'm guessing you might be near Ross Fork, Ware, Danvers, Kolin, or somewhere in that vicinity? I hope you enjoy yourself and don't run into snow.

 

We had Farmall Kid (Mike) and his family here tonight. This is Heather's birthday "week" and a big day for our son and daughter (in-law) to celebrate something else personal for Mike and Pam.

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Gary;)

PS: Since this is an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm, I'm posting nephew Randy's IH Farmall A again. It seems to fit right in at Silver Creek. Mike sheds it for the winter. (in the shop.)

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That Case combine sure looks a lot like one from the mid 50's my uncle had. I want to say a model 301 or maybe a 401. Your feeder house looks wider than I remember,but engine and transmission look right. It was a sidehill model with single rear wheel with hydraulic motor to add power if needed. It went to China soon after my uncle was not around to save it,as my aunt always thought of it as a money pit. 

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On ‎10‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 6:07 PM, Delta Dirt said:

We were talking about the engine/transmissions on the 123 and 125 combines.  

Here are some shots of our old 125-SP converted to a lift hoist.  Think it had a 13 ft header as a combine.

 

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I suspect this transmission is a 4 speed truck transmission.  The large housing in front of transmission houses the clutch and threshing machine drive.

Don't know when they did away with the chain driven final drives-----but this was hi-tech in 1950.

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Shift pattern-----it's in 1st (marked low).  Shifter is still free-----due to flexing of the operator platform under heavy load as a hoist----I trimmed out the slots for 2nd and reverse.  

 

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Green Diamond engine (complete with green vines)  Imagine servicing the ignition with the hopper on top of engine and threshing mechanism standing tall on this side.

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wide fixed steering axle--------(with the added weights)-----it needed "strong" ARMSTRONG steering without some load out front.  Never remember it being that bad as a combine.

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Tires rotted out is reason I quit using it.   Thought I would replace the drive tires with heavy truck rims/tires and do away with steering axle by hitching direct to tractor drawbar.  But-------that project keeps getting moved forward for some reason!!!!:huh:

edit:  this old critter slept under the implement shed in the background for years and before that under a large wooden shed that got blown away in 1973.  We got lots more use out of it as a lift hoist than as a combine.

 

DD 

 That transmission housing and shifting pattern looks identical to the one we had on our 1962  220 A Cotton picker.

    The four speed in my 66 I.H. pick up looks familiar on outside.

         Tony

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On ‎10‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 8:29 PM, Old Binder Guy said:

A busy, busy, busy day today. We fired the engines to put them away for the winter, in their hibernation spot. That includes, draining water tanks, draining boilers and taking hand hole plates out, washing out the boilers and putting fans in them to dry the boilers. Temperature was 57 when I left for Silver Creek. By the time we were inside with the engines, it started snowing and turned cold (darn cold). Perfect timing, other than it is going to get warmer toward the end of next week.

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While we had the engines fired, we had some friends in to "enjoy" our company and have a hot dog.

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Some rides were given to our guests. After lunch, they all had to leave and it was trying to snow and the temperature dropped nearly 20 degrees, with wind. After they left Mike hooked up the Reeves to his fan.

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Then we proceeded to put stuff back into the shed.

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The engines at the back of the shed, next to the shop, where the Reeves and Case "cohabitate" for the winter!

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Randy was smart enough to fix my camera to do a timed photo. Me (OBG), Mike and Randy.

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We were putting the tractors back inside. This was them lined up outside.59eabada09126_TractorsandTruckslineduptoputawayinshed10-20-17.thumb.jpg.fed829121c2a351483246280d0251972.jpg

L-R: Randy's IH Farmall A "Aimee," the McCormick-Deering TD-40 TracTracTor "Fred," Farmall M "Toot," IH Farmall H "Annie," McCormick-Deering Farmall F-12 "Johnny," and Mike's 300 Utility. I don't know its name?? Then two Ford one ton trucks, two Craftsman tractors, and Mike's four wheeler.

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A rear view. Gary;)59eaba55863e0_IHTractorsandFordTrucksreadytoputbackinshed10-20-17.thumb.jpg.abcbd4594b9c664918d16dea5647adbd.jpg 

PS: Six of these tractors are IH Tractors on a Montana Farm

   That second picture , Looks like a pretty nice Man Cave !  Beautiful pictures of some great equipment and interesting territory .

       Tony

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20 minutes ago, ray54 said:

That Case combine sure looks a lot like one from the mid 50's my uncle had. I want to say a model 301 or maybe a 401. Your feeder house looks wider than I remember,but engine and transmission look right. It was a sidehill model with single rear wheel with hydraulic motor to add power if needed. It went to China soon after my uncle was not around to save it,as my aunt always thought of it as a money pit. 

  Ray,

     Is there much old equipment like that setting around in those Paso Robles hills ?

      I know of one McCormick 1954 55 W Hay baler , just waiting for my shed to be built . Its currently under cover with former owner.

        Being was dryland Farming and cattle country before the boutique wineries came in, I assume there are lot of treasures out in those hills still used for grazing.

        Tony

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Today was our youngest granddaughter's birthday. We celebrated at Grandma's house Sunday, when I took this photo. Farmall Kid and his family: Mike, Jacob. Pam & Heather, who turned 12 today.

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I did take this (fuzzy) picture of her on "uncle" Randy's IH Farmall A, Aimee this past Friday, when we put the steam engines away.

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I got a phone call from a friend in California. He left a message. I haven't gotten back to him yet, as I've had other things going, but he found a "bitter-sweet" thing down in California where he lives. 

Dad is shown restoring the 16 hp Russell steam engine he bought from Ralph "Bug" Pratt back in 1957 (for $50).

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After restoration (fixing up) I had it in the 75th Anniversary parade for Fergus County in 1960, here leading the parade.

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I ran that little engine a lot. This was in 1979 or 80, before we left the homestead for good. I didn't want to see it go to California, when we moved, but that's where it ended up.

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My friend took this photo of the Russell recently. It's unmistakably the correct engine. I'm glad to know it is somewhat taken care of and didn't burn up in fires down there. Gary:mellow:

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Neat story on your Russell steamer Gary-----That's a story about a $50 tractor that has done good for itself.

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Not tractor related------but here is a magazine cover picture that should have universal appeal to most everybody.

 

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Photo is by Michael Kelly------local hunter and "pretty good" photographer of wildlife.  (might be that Michael Kelly is now a photographer----who also hunts!!)

 

DD 

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Re:  Mississippi River

On October 11-----I posted pictures of the Mississippi River at a gauge reading of 11---11.5 ft on our local river gauge.

I just checked today's river stage-----reading is 21+ ft with a 0.4 ft rise predicted for tomorrow.  That's a 10 ft rise since I snapped the October 11th pictures.

Somebody's been getting rains up above us.  Old Man River never stands still----always changing-----and "just keeps on rolling along."

DD 

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I was at Silver Creek today. I put Aimee, Randy's IH Farmall A in its winter berth and the Model T Coupe as well. Aimee is an IH Tractor on a Montana Farm!59f134afbd47e_Aimeeinwinterberth10-25-17.thumb.jpg.8c38a6f6807be231add895abda89a1f7.jpg

I had a good friend give me some neat old tools yesterday.He likes how I display junk on the shop walls. He gave me these huge eagle beak pliers, pallet nail puller, Presto car engine heater (note the plug in), adjustable alligator wrench, and adjustable plane log peeler. If you notice on the ends of the blade and handles are two threaded thimbles, with a "punch loop" to loosen them, and tighten them. When loose you can change the pitch of the blade. I've never seen another of them...

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I'm not exactly sure what you did with this automobile engine heater? I guess hang it under the oil pan?

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The adjustable alligator wrench closed. Gary

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I don't know one darn thing...... But this was on Facebook today. A CaseIH combine doing a summersault. 

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Some old IHC trucks from Facebook... A 1912 water cooled IHC Autowagon.

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Wendell Kelch's "Red Baby" IHC service truck.

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A Six Speed Special Truck. This appears to be like a six cylinder Six Speed Special Dad used to have with the cowl mounted headlights.

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And last but not least is this 1948 IH half ton pickup. Is this a "KB-1"? "KB-2"?? I don't know the number? Gary;)

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