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installing Cummins 4T239 or 6T590 engines in old IH tractors

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I remember reading years ago about a guy who made a business installing the 5.9L Cummins turbo diesel engines in older IH tractors such as the 806, 826, 856, etc... I think he painted part of the tractor black to go with the Cummins engine. Does anyone know who this guy is? Or ever had this done to your tractor? I have a 706 here with a wore-out D282, and they are getting harder (and more expensive) to rebuild. I think this might be a good option. Any info would be appreciated!

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I recall seeing that guy in Farm Show.............Anything is definitely a step up from a D282.

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There was a guy in Farm Show magazine who sold a kit to do it. I know a guy who looked into it for a 706 gas about 10 years ago and I think it would have cost him around $6,000 using a reman engine from Cummins.

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send that 706 to us we have a good german diesel to put in it. :D

nate

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There was a guy in Farm Show magazine who sold a kit to do it. I know a guy who looked into it for a 706 gas about 10 years ago and I think it would have cost him around $6,000 using a reman engine from Cummins.

IMO that isn't bad considering rebuilding costs if you do it right.................Not to mention with the 5.9 you have the power as well as the fuel economy.

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There was a guy in Farm Show magazine who sold a kit to do it. I know a guy who looked into it for a 706 gas about 10 years ago and I think it would have cost him around $6,000 using a reman engine from Cummins.

IMO that isn't bad considering rebuilding costs if you do it right.................Not to mention with the 5.9 you have the power as well as the fuel economy.

I didn't think it was too bad of a price either. The other really nice thing about the 5.9L is cold weather starting, last winter I started our 5140 one night when it was 10° to pull a car out of the ditch and it started just as soon as I hit the key. This summer we did all our baling with the 5140 (it's real easy to get spoiled with a powershift on the baler) and when baling straw one day I drove 6 miles to the field, baled 1,200 bales and drove back home on less than a 1/4 of a 45 gallon tank. That straw was really heavy, alot of the time the baler was tying a bale every 8 strokes (100 stroke per minute baler) in first gear so there was a fair load on the tractor. I don't have a good comparison of how much fuel our 826 uses but we were running about 1.5 gph with the 5140 when baling.

Also a rebuilt 5.9L would outlast about four gas engines so in the long run it would be alot cheaper on a tractor that gets used very much. The Cummin's would be running pretty high rpm's to match the IH engine.

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I think JON kINZENBAW (owner) of Kinze manufacturing is doing the the Cummings engine in an International Tractor. I know he is doing it in the John Deere 2 and 4 wheel drive tractors

Ron

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Link Imp. in Ridgeland WI. is who you are thinking of, they are a Case IH dealer so you can look up there # 's there. I called them about a kit 5 years ago and they never got back to me. Think they stil have the plans to do the work but have not seen them advertise their repowers for years.

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I spoke with them about three months ago and they had some kits in stock at that time for the 66 series. I would think they would have what you need. If I remember right the kit we priced was less than $1500 but you had to supply your own engine. I do know that a 706,756 has a clearance problem if you are running a turbo above the 5.9! We bought for a hydro 100, don't know if customer installed it yet or not.

Thanks ED

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There is a Agco dealer here that used to sell Ollivers and then White. He has been buying wrecked Dodge Pickups and pulling the Cummins out and installing them into 1850's 2150's etc. and the results are fantastic. The Hurculies 478 ci engine they take out is expensive to overhaul if you can get parts at all. The farmers I have talked to claim more HP and torque and much better fuel usage.

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There is a Agco dealer here that used to sell Ollivers and then White. He has been buying wrecked Dodge Pickups and pulling the Cummins out and installing them into 1850's 2150's etc. and the results are fantastic. The Hurculies 478 ci engine they take out is expensive to overhaul if you can get parts at all. The farmers I have talked to claim more HP and torque and much better fuel usage.

Haven't ever heard ONE person regret putting a 5.9 into a Oliver!

I thought about it, since its pretty much a bolt in into a 1850..............But the Perkins is a good engine and they are rebuildable and last, unlike the Herc or "Junksaw" in most of them.

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I put a 5.9 turbo Cummins in a customer's 706 7 years ago using one of Links kits. It came with front motor mounts, rear mounting plate and a flywheel that used a 10/1466 clutch. I had to have the fuel tank cut back to clear the turbo. Room is very tight under the hood and getting the air cleaner to hookup and the hoses to the radiator were probably the hardest. The customer has been very happy with the tractor. He runs a custom hay business and the tractor spends alot of time on a round baler in very hilly country. This engine has so much torque. We used a new engine from Cummins and it dynoed out at 145. Overheating has never been a problem, but he has never pulled it to the max either for very long. He loves the fuel economy.

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I just wonder why there is NO interest in installing a 7.3 or 6.0 IH Ford Power stroke?? Could there be a lack of torque? Or is it a lack of quality??

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JON KINZENBAW: I heard he closed or sold the repower biz.

I'dd sure like to see an M or 450 powered by a 4T239. :D

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We have a 510 payloader with a 3.8 turboed cummins;saw an ad last week a 515 payload with a 5.9. A man near Ponoka Alberta has repowered alot of the v8 4x4 ih tractors with 855 cummins

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I just wonder why there is NO interest in installing a 7.3 or 6.0 IH Ford Power stroke?? Could there be a lack of torque? Or is it a lack of quality??

That is a JOKE right? :unsure::unsure::unsure:;);););):rolleyes::lol:

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I just wonder why there is NO interest in installing a 7.3 or 6.0 IH Ford Power stroke?? Could there be a lack of torque? Or is it a lack of quality??

That is a JOKE right? :unsure::unsure::unsure:;);););):rolleyes::lol:

I wouldn't put a 6.0 in but there's nothing wrong with a 7.3. As long as You run it like what it is, a TRUCK ENGINE, they live a long happy life. If You want to put a chip & propane and all that crap on one to do burnouts in Your 7000+# truck Your just DUMB.

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Kinze did stop repowering the 4wd John Deeres due to a lack of itrest they still make parts for the guys who have them though.

Later,

Will

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I just wonder why there is NO interest in installing a 7.3 or 6.0 IH Ford Power stroke?? Could there be a lack of torque? Or is it a lack of quality??

That is a JOKE right? :unsure::unsure::unsure:;);););):rolleyes::lol:

I wouldn't put a 6.0 in but there's nothing wrong with a 7.3. As long as You run it like what it is, a TRUCK ENGINE, they live a long happy life. If You want to put a chip & propane and all that crap on one to do burnouts in Your 7000+# truck Your just DUMB.

I agree, Doc. See nothing wrong with that at all myself. Would make a unique tractor for sure. Mine has plenty of get up and go and plenty of guts, no need for a chip. Does what I want it to do very nicely just as it was sold to me from the dealer.

If you have never owned one, then don't knock em, is all I have to say. After all, this IS an IH forum and the Powerstrokes are made by what is left of good ol IHC. I really do not care to hear them bad mouthed on this IH site at all.

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Power/torque curve is different as the PS is a RPM engine vs. the Cummins. Don't think they'd preform well realistically in a tractor. PS is/was a light truck engine not intended for industrial/Ag applications like a Cummins which from what I can recall is what they actually were built for.

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I just wonder why there is NO interest in installing a 7.3 or 6.0 IH Ford Power stroke?? Could there be a lack of torque? Or is it a lack of quality??

That is a JOKE right? :unsure::unsure::unsure:;);););):rolleyes::lol:

I wouldn't put a 6.0 in but there's nothing wrong with a 7.3. As long as You run it like what it is, a TRUCK ENGINE, they live a long happy life. If You want to put a chip & propane and all that crap on one to do burnouts in Your 7000+# truck Your just DUMB.

you can treat the 7.3 stroke pretty bad and it will still live . know of a couple at close to 200k miles ,both chipped and pulled to death . my hay buyers both have 7.3"s ,and they show them no mercy ,pull trailers weighing 30,000 all summer.the auto trans will puke out way before the engine ,they wont make 100K when abused/overloaded.

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There is an Agco dealer here that has repowered 7000 and 8000 series AC tractors along with Gleaners with the Duetzs for years. They also build high-crop tractors and sell them down south, they have a booth at the NFMS every year. They are nice guys that will help and since they farm also they know what its like to be down when you need to be running. I dont know if they have a website but thier name is Hunley. I think they even started useing some Detriots too but last I heard they were giving up the dealership and was going to just work on repowers and stuff.

Where my dad worked they repowered all kinds of graders, dozers and rubber tired loaders so he my be able to answer some quiestions. He repowered a TD-20 Dresser that had a DV800 with a C-series and it made world of difference. He designed the motor mounts and I made them at work. When he recomended a 505 cid to replace an 800 cid they guy that owned the dozer thought he was crazy but now he says that it will out-perform the old V8 on power and fuel economy.

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