Hydro70

President Jefferson Davis Memorial in Fairfield, Ky.

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Me and my girlfriends Dad went to Fairfield the other day to get a part for a Deutz engine and I took this picture of the oblisk or whatever ya call it for Davis, its open and you can take a elevator ride all the way to the top and that's a jockeys lot that sits there in the picture.  He was born in Logan County and this is just west of Russellville, Ky.  and there is some big farm land in this area

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I've driven by that before, didn't know I could have went up it.  Wonder when they will tear it down in the middle of the night like the 4 monuments in New Orleans to Jefferson Davis, General Beauregard, Gen Robert E. Lee, and the fourth commemorating the battle of Liberty Place. What a shame, all in an attempt to achieve a PC world.

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1 hour ago, ArkLa 1086 said:

I've driven by that before, didn't know I could have went up it.  Wonder when they will tear it down in the middle of the night like the 4 monuments in New Orleans to Jefferson Davis, General Beauregard, Gen Robert E. Lee, and the fourth commemorating the battle of Liberty Place. What a shame, all in an attempt to achieve a PC world.

Prior to recent events I'll bet you most people didn't even know who the people were and passed by the statues without ever taking note. Are they destroying or relocating the statues? What's next demolish old plantations?

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49 minutes ago, BOBSIH856 said:

Prior to recent events I'll bet you most people didn't even know who the people were and passed by the statues without ever taking note. Are they destroying or relocating the statues? What's next demolish old plantations?

Relocating in pieces. The work is happening after midnight and the workers are wearing masks and protective gear. A few local schools and institutions showed interest until ultra-liberal groups and BLM threatened violent protest like has happened in California colleges lately. 

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Im a fairly liberal guy but I have to say that Im not sure this is a good idea.  I mean, these men are part of the country's history.  I think their story needs to be told, both the good and the bad.

We are still having these same arguments about States Rights today so did we really settle anything?

I do think that the Stars and Bars should not be flown over government buildings though because that government did not succeed and is not the government we have today nor would a lot of people want it to be.  But the statues are a different thing and as long as we can talk about the war and why they did the things they did or didnt do I think its OK to leave them there.

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So ask people who want to remove the records of the past (good and bad) shall we repeat it?

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Thanks for posting Hydro- - - - - I will pass my salute from here in Mississippi.

Actually- - - - - I am a "half- breed".  My ancestors fought on both sides in the Civil War- - - - - as well as have served the nation's military forces.  I joined the USMC reserves in 1962 because I wanted to and felt it my duty to do so- - - - - - - - all the while being a proud Mississippian and maintaining my strong conservative beliefs.

The Civil War is part of this country's heritage regardless of which side you were on- - - - - it is a part of history.  How many of the "now politically correct" have served the country in any way- - - - - - how many of these great minds would you trust to cover your back side in a fox hole or fire fight????

I have liberal friends and conservative friends- - - - - but none of us advocate tearing the country down.  Where has the sense of reasoning gone???

Uhhhh- - - - I anticipate this thread turning into a real pi$$ing contest.  Hope it doesn't.

 

DD

 

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Once again, we have the yankee educated carpetbaggers bringing their corrupt ideas into the South, in order to show the errant, uneducated Southern rabble, the 'power and justice' of their 'betters' 

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Just look at the news reports going on in Washington and all over the Country.  Every day this Country looks more and more like it is falling apart.  i sense a Socialist or Communist overthrow of the Order that we have always known as the USA.  We are now violently polarized and all the tricks and bickering in Washington is not to the betterment of this land.  RIP.

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The majority of the public doesn't know history. What most don't know is the war was not necessary. Slavery was on the way out. The planters in the Natchez area of MS were on the verge of abandoning the practice. But once the invasion of the south began it became a war where yeoman farmers took up arms to protect their land. Remember, much of the country was still frontier. Once you pillage and seize the property of subsistence farmers you have a war on your hands; politics be damned.

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Stupid to take these statues down.  Looking back today whether those memorialized stood for good or bad they still are a part of our history and should be considered in that context.

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From "The Yankee Problem in America", by Clyde Wilson:

"...scholars are at last starting to pay some attention to one of the most important and most neglected subjects in United States history — the Yankee problem.

By Yankee I do not mean everybody from north of the Potomac and Ohio. Lots of them have always been good folks. The firemen who died in the World Trade Center on September 11 were Americans. The politicians and TV personalities who stood around telling us what we are to think about it are Yankees."

https://archive.lewrockwell.com/wilson/wilson12.html

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Guess we better tear down Washington monument, Jefferson memorial.....they owned slaves at one time

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Tearing down the statues of the southern generals is just another way of rubbing the salt in a still somewhat open wound.  Just about everyone in my part of this country has kin that fought for the south somewhere in their bloodline, I do and am proud of them for choosing the side.  General Lee was down to about 30,000 troops and the Union Gen Grant had about 130,000 and still couldn't catch the old gray haired man.  He is by far one of our most talented and audacious Generals to ever fight on the north American continent

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I thought about Washington when the talk of removing Andrew Jackson being removed from the 20$ since he implemented legislation that led to the Cherokee being forced from the Carolinas in Trail of Tears. Washington was given a the name "Town Destroyer" by the Seneca in the 1750's and  decimated the Indian tribes that sided with British during Revolution. A majority of historical figures would fall short in some way of today's "professed media and political standards". I think that judgment on all historical figures should be reserved until an understanding of the times and circumstance they lived in. Just as future generations will not understand the "goings on" of today. Even Abraham Lincoln gave some speeches in the 1850's in Illinois while running for office would shock some people because he made statements about slavery that stand in direct contrast to how his legacy is now presented in most books. I didn't mean to hijack thread when I mentioned the New Orleans monuments, but it's going on now and my son and I took our picture in front of one last year when we went down there and it was the first thing came to mind when I saw the picture Hydro70 posted. Hope it never happens to that obelisk and wish I would have known I could have went up it when I was up there. I spent a year working in a little town called Bedford, Kentucky across the river from Madison, Indiana building a power plant back in 08-09. That area of the country is about the only other place I'd be willing to live outside of where I do now.

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They are taking down the Confederate statues in New Orleans right now according to the news.

Black slavery was actually initiated by the profit minded "brothers" in Africa who rounded up their brothers to be sold  like livestock to the white slave traders.  May be some folks need to take a closer look at their heiritage- - - - - - dating back to their African roots???

And- - - - - as far as slavery goes;  it's been going on for centuries involving all races and nationalities- - - - - And was actually going on in the northern areas of U.S. before it became a big item here in the south.  And- - - - is still going on in certain parts of this screwed up world.

I would say give them 40 acres and a mule- - - - - - - but that might be inhumane treatment to the mule.

History is history- - - - today will be history tomorrow.

None of us can be assured of what our children, grandchildren, nor ancestors might or might not have done.  Lucky for us- - - - it's a two way street.  They are not responsible for our actions- - - - so how can they complain!!!.;)

 

DD

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3 hours ago, Hydro70 said:

Tearing down the statues of the southern generals is just another way of rubbing the salt in a still somewhat open wound.  Just about everyone in my part of this country has kin that fought for the south somewhere in their bloodline, I do and am proud of them for choosing the side.  General Lee was down to about 30,000 troops and the Union Gen Grant had about 130,000 and still couldn't catch the old gray haired man.  He is by far one of our most talented and audacious Generals to ever fight on the north American continent

I hope people do realize that General Lee (a great military strategist) did NOT choose to fight for the seditionist confederation because of his support for slavery.  Instead he chose to fight for the south because of his honorable allegiance to his home state of Virginia.

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38 minutes ago, Delta Dirt said:

 

I would say give them 40 acres and a mule- - - - - - - but that might be inhumane treatment to the mule.

 

Really, really?

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Tear down the monuments of history, then let's take MLKs birthday away and they will scream racial injustice

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And the stupid state of Illinois wants to name an official "Obama" day.....what crap

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For any of you who haven't read Orwell's 1984,, he talks about the "memory hole", where ideas that big bro wants you to know not go.

36 minutes ago, jass1660 said:

And the stupid state of Illinois wants to name an official "Obama" day.....what crap

I love living where we live; the house we live in, the town, the county,.  But I'll tell anyone - Illinois sucks.  Big time.

I recently applied for a nose picking license.  Probably be breathing through my mouth for the next 6 - 12 months.

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Those who forget (chose not to remember in this case) are doomed to repeat it.

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God have mercy on us all, for we have lost our will to be free unless we take our country back!

What would happen if people like us went to the monument and said, "NO, it stays!"

North or South, East or West, we are Americans and history stands, right or wrong.

It deserves to be fought for!

 

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29 minutes ago, Diesel Doctor said:

God have mercy on us all, for we have lost our will to be free unless we take our country back!

What would happen if people like us went to the monument and said, "NO, it stays!"

North or South, East or West, we are Americans and history stands, right or wrong.

It deserves to be fought for!

 

There will have to be a fight of some sort eventually.  Or roll over on our backs and pee in the air.

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