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#1 stampmaint1

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:39 AM

I am looking to upgrade my planting equipment. I want to go to 12 row 30". Many of the IH planters I see are semi mount. What I don't know is how much tractor does it take to handle such thing. I have available a John Deere 4430 and a IH 1566. Also will dual hydraulics make a folding planter work or do I need to have triple hydraulics? Both tractors only have dual valves for this. I am looking at a Case/IH 955 and 950. Can anyone help? Thank you

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 07:07 AM

Either of your tractors will handle the planter but you will have to have at least a full set of front weights on either tractor to keep the front tires on the ground and even then the front end will still be light. I want to get a 12 row vertical fold 800 or 900 for a bean planter but my plan is to take the lift wheels off the 6 row 800 we have and make the 12 row into a pull type folding planter.
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Posted 18 November 2011 - 07:10 AM

You only need two valves one to raise the assist wheels the other for the wings . The wings raise one at a time. The book will tell set valves . I think the wing valve is in float then when you raise assist wheels it will tip wings up a little so row units on out side do not drag. The planter is heavy you need weight in front. We use our 1586 we have saddle tanks for 28% and tanks on the assist wheels for starter.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 12:26 PM

I bought a 955 12 row narrow pull type. I am now thinking about what I would use to pull this. It has a Cat type hitch. The 1566 I have has a cat hitch but I don't know if the hydraulics can be set for float. I used to plant with the 4020 and a 6 row model 800. We always had one of the valves set for float for the planter lift. The 1566 has duals and is heavy. The 4430 is lighter and has no duals. I guess I don't know how much tractor it would take to pull the 12 row. The six row pulled easy so I assume the 12 would pull twice as hard, which should not be all that much of a load. It's the tongue weight I am concerned about. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 06:49 PM

How do you convert a semi mounted IH planter (800) to pull type? Thx-Ace
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:43 PM

Sorry, posted twice.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 09:43 PM

How do you convert a semi mounted IH planter (800) to pull type? Thx-Ace

I bought a 955 12 row narrow pull type. I am now thinking about what I would use to pull this. It has a Cat type hitch. The 1566 I have has a cat hitch but I don't know if the hydraulics can be set for float. I used to plant with the 4020 and a 6 row model 800. We always had one of the valves set for float for the planter lift. The 1566 has duals and is heavy. The 4430 is lighter and has no duals. I guess I don't know how much tractor it would take to pull the 12 row. The six row pulled easy so I assume the 12 would pull twice as hard, which should not be all that much of a load. It's the tongue weight I am concerned about. Any advice would be appreciated. thanks

Is it a factory 12 row vertical fold pull type? They made some of them from the factory. I used to have an 800 vertical fold that I put on a Campbell pull type caddy. It worked good but not real stable down the road, only 12 to 15 MPH or so. You'll need 3 valves if you go to that since the front lift has it'sown cylinders.I'd use the 1566 on a 12 row. You should be able to make the hydraulics go into float, maybe the lockout screws are still in the hydraulic levers. I have a 950 front fold and I use my 5288

Farming and Fixing, I fix and farm with red stuff, mostly. Usable tractors are 5288, 1466, 1066, 1206, 826, 806, 756, 656, 800 and 950 planters, 4800 field cultivator, plus other misc, and a yellow TR combine. Also an S1700 grain truck. Also a fun '71 Chevelle! And a '40 M to restore when I get time! 966 M&W turbo.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:26 AM

We had a 800 semi mounted 12rn for many years. It was on a 1466, then on a cart to make it pull type and then on the three point of a 7120. Not saying you couldnt make it work on a 4430 but I dont think you would be all that happy with that set up. The 1566 with duals and all the front weights should be tolerable. I would think your 15 is a fairly similar platform to a 7120. I will never buy another semi mount planter. That thing gave us alot of years good service but I always felt it was the tail wagging the dog. Went to a 1760 deere with wing fold and have been very happy. Sadly this area was all red planters at one time and they are basically all gone now. How times have changed.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 07:34 AM

I never had a semi mount planter. The 800 I have is a factory pull type. The 955 I bought is also a factory pull type with a vertical fold. It is a lot of planter compared to what I am used to. The 1566 has a heavier drawbar and the planter would not look so big behind it. I am happy I did not buy the semi mount. thanks

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 01:37 PM

I have a semi mounted planter but quit using it because it is awkard. How do you convert it to pull type? Thx-Ace
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