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#1 Bulldog Red

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Posted 14 May 2009 - 04:06 PM

Are they Cummins,Consolidated Diesel,or Iveco?Didn't IH and Iveco collaberate on trucks and engines in the 60 and 70's?

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 02:47 PM

Just bringing it back up,no comments?

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 03:08 PM

My understanding of it is that they have "consolidated diesel" motors in them, and that Cummins/consolidated diesel motors are one in the same.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 06:39 PM

I think the Iveco engines are being used in the bigger combines & some of the high hp 4wd's & maybe a magnum.

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Posted 16 May 2009 - 06:55 PM

Iveco in the farmalls, CDC in maxxum and magnum, all three in steigers........right???
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Posted 16 May 2009 - 07:53 PM

Here's what I remember from work:

Lil DX Farmalls: No clue, but they have weird part numbers! :wacko:
JX Farmalls: 4 cylinder Iveco's, 4.5L I think.
MXM/MXU/Maxxums/Puma: 6 cylinder Iveco's, mostly 6.7L
MX Magnums: 8.3L & 9.0L CDC 24 valves
Steigers: Small frame Steigers, 9.0L CDC's, mid frame Steigers, a big OHC Iveco, Large frame Steigers QSX 15 Cummins.
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Posted 16 May 2009 - 08:04 PM

Here's what I remember from work:

Lil DX Farmalls: No clue, but they have weird part numbers! :wacko:
JX Farmalls: 4 cylinder Iveco's, 4.5L I think.
MXM/MXU/Maxxums/Puma: 6 cylinder Iveco's, mostly 6.7L
MX Magnums: 8.3L & 9.0L CDC 24 valves
Steigers: Small frame Steigers, 9.0L CDC's, mid frame Steigers, a big OHC Iveco, Large frame Steigers QSX 15 Cummins.


So maxxum's would be Iveco/Cummins since that was a partnership right?
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Posted 16 May 2009 - 08:42 PM

Depends on what model of Maxxum a guy is referring to. If its a older 51/52/MX series Maxxum, that's a tried & true 5.9L CDC. After the MXM's took over, in came the Iveco's. The 6.7L Iveco, while there's a bit of similarity to a 5.9L Cummins, I have found few, if any parts similarities. Maybe if I saw a new 6.7L Cummins, one may see more similarity. I say they are just a plain Iveco in the CaseIH's. I can be proven wrong, though.

I think a guy can pinpont some blame on McCormick International when they advertised their MTX B-power tractors. While that is also a 6.7L Iveco, they sure hyped it in the sales literature as it being a Cummins. Or atleast, to a guy who just glanced at the literature, it would. Read it carefully, and you'll see that they meant that the design of the 6.7L Iveco is somewhat based on the 5.9L Cummins. Except, I don't ever recall a 5.9L Cummins w/ all the geartrain in the back of the engine! Lots of my customers seem to think they have a Cummins in their MTX McCormick. A few were none to happy when I pointed out the Iveco tag on the block, with there being no sign whatsoever of the name Cummins anywhere on that engine. Same goes for any new Maxxum from CaseIH, IMO. There may have been some sharing in the engineering departments between Cummins/CDC/and Iveco. Atleast Cummins/CDC used a decent injection pump. The ones on the MTX McCormicks just plain suck. Gimmie an A or P Bosch any day, not that odd-duck rotary thingy.
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Posted 17 May 2009 - 08:40 AM

ummm, im pretty sure i read on here where Cummins does makea a rear driven valvetrain 6.7 for everyone other than DODGE.
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Posted 17 May 2009 - 05:46 PM

ummm, im pretty sure i read on here where Cummins does makea a rear driven valvetrain 6.7 for everyone other than DODGE.

It's probably the same engine marketed by CNH as the NEF engine (New Engine Family) with a Cummins tag. Cummins was part of that joint venture which has since been dissolved.

As for the injector pump complaints, that lies at the feet of the governments that write emissions laws, and Bosch, who apparently has forgotten how to built a rotary style injection pump that will stay in time and won't leak fuel on the ground.
As I have said before Iveco has to take a back seat to absolutely no one when it comes to engine design and manufacturing capability.



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