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#1 Nebraska1206

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 11:33 AM

This is something I don't think you'll ever see here. Out of all the engines from IH, I've seen the old 282's souped up for pulling, the 361's & 407's hot rodded for pullers, the lil 300 Melrose in some hot 666's & 686's, and you can't throw a rock in the pulling world without hitting a 400 series somewhere.

But what about the German engines? Only once, did I see an ad on Pulloff.com for a "big-bore" 358 German, I believe it was in an 826 as well. I'd have loved to call him & ask how that was all done.

I can see the largest drawback being it is a small bore/long stroke engine, that can't help. That, and we're still in the stone age, so metric measurements & equivalents give us fits & make us shudder. Surely, though, someone out there has done this. I'd just be curious as to what style injection pumps were swapped on, maybe big single charger setups or multi-charger systems, you name it. Some of the tricks to get more cubes, the biggest Neuss engine you've seen, what parts were swapped internally & with what, whatever.

I'm hoping some of our European friends can chime in on this one, I know they get in to tractor pulling over there as much, if not more, than some of us do.

Lets see if this gets some wheels turning.
'66 1206 puller, '67 1206, '67 1256, whats left of another '67 1256 (parts), & 682 Cub Cadet are mine; Dad has a 1066 B.S., 826D, 756D, two 706's w/ D310's, '53 Super M (stage 2), 1640 combine, and a 1650 Cub Cadet. All located in Northeast Nebraska.

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 11:45 AM

This is something I don't think you'll ever see here. Out of all the engines from IH, I've seen the old 282's souped up for pulling, the 361's & 407's hot rodded for pullers, the lil 300 Melrose in some hot 666's & 686's, and you can't throw a rock in the pulling world without hitting a 400 series somewhere.

But what about the German engines? Only once, did I see an ad on Pulloff.com for a "big-bore" 358 German, I believe it was in an 826 as well. I'd have loved to call him & ask how that was all done.

I can see the largest drawback being it is a small bore/long stroke engine, that can't help. That, and we're still in the stone age, so metric measurements & equivalents give us fits & make us shudder. Surely, though, someone out there has done this. I'd just be curious as to what style injection pumps were swapped on, maybe big single charger setups or multi-charger systems, you name it. Some of the tricks to get more cubes, the biggest Neuss engine you've seen, what parts were swapped internally & with what, whatever.

I'm hoping some of our European friends can chime in on this one, I know they get in to tractor pulling over there as much, if not more, than some of us do.

Lets see if this gets some wheels turning.


We do use German IH engines for pulling in Holland. The most used ones are the 358 and the 402. The 402 is the same engine only with a different crankshaft.
Here's a link of a 402 powered tractor form a couple guys out of town. They use a Bosch P pump with about 800cc and they use a Holset H3B turbocharger.
The class they run is the 3500kg ( 7100 pnd) superstport.
You are allowed to run max 7 liter ( 426 cub inch) engines, use a intercooler and the max rpm is 2700.
The have the engine running real good but now they have problems with the gearbox. THe gearbox and rear-end are off a 845 that's a 4 cilinder tractor. The main shaft is to week and twisted. Now they want to make a couple gear sets and a bigger shaft so it will hold op the hp and have more choice of speed.

When you scroll to the bottem of the page there are 2 youtube movies on the site.

http://www.forgottenboy.web-log.nl/

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 03:25 PM

If you want to see German engines pulling, search for 1455 on youtube .There are a couple of 1455xl front wheel assists on there that are quite impressive for stock tractors :wub: B) B) . Sorry one of these days I'm going to figure out how to put up a link. :wacko: :wacko:

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Posted 07 March 2009 - 04:44 PM

I've also seen a 826 pull in a hot class. I belive that he had an A pump on there and a 3lm for a turbo. I don't remember if it was an open rpm class or not but it was pretty impressive.
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Posted 07 March 2009 - 09:50 PM

I watched the two videos for the Neuss IH 955, wow, that's cool! Too bad I can't read a single word on their website, I'm sure they have some cool stories about that DT402.

Pete, I'd like to see that 826 w/ the 3LM & the A pump. I'd be real curious how well that'd do. Too bad the 358 is 100+ cubes shy of everything around here, it'd work in the light 3000 RPM class if you could get a 826 light enough to pull 7700 lb.

Interesting stuff!
'66 1206 puller, '67 1206, '67 1256, whats left of another '67 1256 (parts), & 682 Cub Cadet are mine; Dad has a 1066 B.S., 826D, 756D, two 706's w/ D310's, '53 Super M (stage 2), 1640 combine, and a 1650 Cub Cadet. All located in Northeast Nebraska.

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 04:48 AM

Here are a couple links with 402/358 engines.

This 1455 is from a friend of mine and it's stock tractor ( little more hp than factory)

This a 1455 farm stock

This is a 826 in the 7000pnd class free rpm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsrHcZwClos
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Posted 08 March 2009 - 06:40 AM

In my neighborhood there are two 1455's that running with dt402's in farmstock also a 1055 and 1246 (dt 358)

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 07:15 AM

Local guy here farms and pulls with a 826. Don't know what he has that pump setup at, but it sounds like its turning some serious RPM's coming down the track! Originally had an M&W turbo on it but I think he has something else on it now. Had another guy tell me he was blown away when they had it on the silage blower. He said it was a monster!

In this area a German diesel powered tractor will bring more than one with a Melrose or other IH Diesel. Guys just love them, and I am one of them.

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Posted 08 March 2009 - 03:04 PM

I know Jim Hildebrandt (sp?) from Dry Ridge, Kentucky runs a D310 in a 686 will the Ohio River Valley Tractor Pullers on alcohol. It runs in the 6000lb Light Limited Super Stock class and he is definitely towards the top of the class as power is concerned. As an observation, this class tends to be fairly even and it is more of a drivers class than anything. This may be some of the reason he hasnt done better than he has in the past.

I've looked at the D310 and D358 as engines for pulling and I feel they have tremendous potential. The problem is that they are suited to the limitations of very few classes that run in the US. The Light Limited Super Stock class is one of the classes where one of these engines could potentially become part of a dominant tractor with the right combination of parts and tuning.

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Posted 09 March 2009 - 04:59 PM

What does a guy do to a Non turbo 826 D-358 motor for the non turbo classes to realy make them run

someone could PM I would like some more tricks on this

Thanks Lance

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