[Greypower]

mike_newman, on Aug 17 2008, 04:18 AM, said:

Athol, the American blokes seem to have liked that German POS,in the farm tractors... but to have had one in the Australian ACCOF truck line was one of the worst retail experiences , an IH client could ever have.....

Mike

I don't know why they used them in the US but we have a Geelong built (ozy) 766 with a D 310 in it and it is the best engine you could hope for, very powerful for its size, very economical and even now at over 30 years old a very good tractor (except for the transmission, but thats another story)
After the 766/866 and the 786/886 series they brought out the 786B and the 886B with the later model D310 and D358 in them and "some" of those were terrible!!! Guttless fuel hungry hard to start and everything you don't want in a tractor to the point where some owners when there tractors were out of waranty bought second hand cylinder heads off early 766 and 866 engines and replaced the heads on the later ones after which they were fine. I surpose it was some sort of polution modification but it ruined quite a few of the later series tractors. Some were OK but some werent. The D 358 in trucks though, was always a pain in the backside.

[Tim in NB]

D206 also used in 584.

[Michael Halsall]

M.D. 7140, on Aug 18 2008, 10:49 AM, said:

Just thought I would add something to this topic of german engines we had a IH 885 XL tractor with a cab and a german engine in it it was a 4 cylinder we bought in 1990 and traded it in 1995 engine was the only good thing it had. No it was not a case IH nobody could tell me when it was made or where. Parts were hard to get they thought it was a pre production tractor that should not have been sold and they were right.

The 885 XL was built in Britain. It was a direct follow on from the International 884
The earlier production were called "International", later production "Case International"
The later Doncaster U.K. built tractors used German sourced diesel engines.

The "XL" part of the model name refers to the cabin fitted.

Regards from Michael H

[nelson jr]

Did a german guy invent the diesel motor??

[Steve C.]

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Did a german guy invent the diesel motor??
[/quote

Yes.

Dr. Rudolph Diesel

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diesel)

[Matt Kirsch]

M.D. 7140, on Aug 17 2008, 08:49 PM, said:

Just thought I would add somyhing to this topic of german engines we had a IH 885 XL tractor with a cab and a german engine in it it was a 4 cylinder we buoght in 1990 and traded it in 1995 engine was the only good thing it had. No it was not a case IH nobody cuold tell me when it was made or where. Parts were hard to get they thought it was a pre production tractor that should not have been sold and they were right.

This issue of Red Power magazine has an article about the direction IH was headed with their tractors when the merger hit.

As I recall from the article, the 885XL was on the chart, so you very well may have had a rare preproduction tractor.

[MOChad]

Athol, the American blokes seem to have liked that German POS,in the farm tractors... but to have had one in the Australian ACCOF truck line was one of the worst retail experiences , an IH client could ever have.....

Details?

[rjpont]

Matt Kirsch, on Jul 15 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

M.D. 7140, on Aug 17 2008, 08:49 PM, said:

Just thought I would add somyhing to this topic of german engines we had a IH 885 XL tractor with a cab and a german engine in it it was a 4 cylinder we buoght in 1990 and traded it in 1995 engine was the only good thing it had. No it was not a case IH nobody cuold tell me when it was made or where. Parts were hard to get they thought it was a pre production tractor that should not have been sold and they were right.

This issue of Red Power magazine has an article about the direction IH was headed with their tractors when the merger hit.

As I recall from the article, the 885XL was on the chart, so you very well may have had a rare preproduction tractor.

Nope! All kinds of IH 85 series sold in England just did not reach North American shores until after Case IH merger . M.D. 7140 must have acquired a used import.In a situation like that you need a parts manual for the tractor ,luckily nowadays you can get that info on the web.

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[TimsIHtractors]

George 2, on Aug 16 2008, 07:44 PM, said:

In the case of the 706, IH needed more power and a direct start engine/ By the time they realized that they didn't have the time to develop it. the D310 was already available and it was a simple matter of not having to spend more money for an engine that was several years away. Eventually they deveoped their own direct start in the US . That was the D312 and D360 and they were placed in the US built tractors in late 1972. Then the DT466 was put in the trucks in 1975 and demand for them exploded. The increase in DT 466 production came at the expense of D312 and D360 production. They were shutdown in Melrose Park and once again the D310 and D358 were imported. That was in 1979. Later in the 1980's the DT360 was produced again up to 1993 for the trucks.

Makes perfect sense then why no 66 series tractors were built with the German engines.... I always wondered why they appeared again in the 86's.

[laportej]

TimsIHtractors, on Sep 7 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

George 2, on Aug 16 2008, 07:44 PM, said:

In the case of the 706, IH needed more power and a direct start engine/ By the time they realized that they didn't have the time to develop it. the D310 was already available and it was a simple matter of not having to spend more money for an engine that was several years away. Eventually they deveoped their own direct start in the US . That was the D312 and D360 and they were placed in the US built tractors in late 1972. Then the DT466 was put in the trucks in 1975 and demand for them exploded. The increase in DT 466 production came at the expense of D312 and D360 production. They were shutdown in Melrose Park and once again the D310 and D358 were imported. That was in 1979. Later in the 1980's the DT360 was produced again up to 1993 for the trucks.

Makes perfect sense then why no 66 series tractors were built with the German engines.... I always wondered why they appeared again in the 86's.

It's funny this topic is up because my Dad and I were just talking about this to a friend of ours. Dad basically explained it exactly as described above when it came to the 310 coming back into production in 1979/1980. We have a 686 with the 310 in it and personally love the engine. My uncle had a 686 with the 312 and we think it had a little more bite to it, but the 310 has been a pretty strong engine for us.