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#1 jkildea

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 07:15 AM

Found a 4586 to buy but I don't know much about them. Any notorious problems?

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 02:19 PM

Never owned or ran one, but know that the engine is the weak spot. Have seen quite a few repowered with Cummins. The V-8 may not be a bad engine, but you can't afford to fix it. I am also not sure I like the idea of using 1486 rear ends. Don't get me wrong, they can be cheap horsepower, but I think you should look at a Steiger or Versatile of the same age.

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 03:41 PM

I have heard of the engines also. Cummins conversions would probably be the way to go. Are the V-8's hard to get parts for?

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 04:02 PM

They are ok as long as the engine air filters are changed on the prescribed intervals. One of my neighbors has one and he had some transmission input shaft trouble. He took the shaft to a big truck repair shop and they got him the correct new one. His has 6000 hours and the motor runs well. No problems otherwise.

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 05:44 PM

Anyone know what size engines that were typically put into these machines?

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 06:36 PM

V800 engine, and we were so glad to see that thing go,and the big green steiger coming in. Run like the wind unless its got a cummins replacement,you dont know what kind of care its had in the last 25 years. They are megggggggggga bucks to rebuild the engine.
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Posted 01 May 2006 - 06:57 PM

Where's Doc Egor when ya need him!? He can tell you all about those V800 engines, all from firsthand experience.

Last time I checked, about two months ago, a sleeve & piston set from CaseIH was about $850 a hole, give or take a few bucks. Injection pump repair for them can be very pricey as well. Plus, the procedure for adjusting valve lash is very annoying, with shimming of the bridges and all that. Plus, everything on that engine is HEAVY! Out of frame is the best way to work on the engine should major repairs be needed.
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Posted 01 May 2006 - 06:58 PM

What do you think about replacing the V800 with a cummins? What kind of a ballpark figure do you think I can expect to spend on the replacement?

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 09:47 PM

Local shop does conversions to Cat or Cummins power for $2500.00 with you providing the replacement motor. I think that is quite a bargain price.

The DVT-800 is simply too costly to overhaul anymore, you can drop $10,000.00 in parts easily on just a standard overhaul. Plus 90% of the shops are not equipped to handle that 6000lb beast either.

45 series had 14 series main frames and 47 series had 15 series main frames.

The key to keeping one of those old birds alive is maintence. Forget about the owner's manual recommendations.....the drivelines should be greased at least once or twice daily.

Both 45 and 47 utilized a Spicer 10sp trans. the 45 had a 1 3/4" input shaft and the 47 had the more industry common 2" shaft.

Beings the 6 cyl replacement engines run slower then the V8 there are some issues with ground speed loss.
Plus don't go smaller then a 400hp rated engine to replace the 300 hp V8 engine in a 45. A Cat or Cummins truck engine is actually a automotive engine and as such is not rated for a 100% duty cycle, therefore you will need to detune it and treat it with care to keep it alive.

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Posted 01 May 2006 - 10:01 PM

[quote name='Doc Egor' date='May 1 2006, 10:47 PM']
Local shop does conversions to Cat or Cummins power for $2500.00 with you providing the replacement motor. I think that is quite a bargain price.

Geez- that does sound pretty reasonable! That's quite an undertaking lengthing the frame on those beasts to accomadate an inline 6. I've seen a few that back yard mechanics have done and they look pretty cobbled up afterwards.
Has anybody ever heard or seen a 903 (nine-o-nothing :P ) in a 45 or a 47? I know they wouldn't be a whole lot better, but they would be cheaper to work on & would fit better with fewer modifacations.

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