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#1 BillOHIO

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 12:44 AM

Guy Fay has interesting article on the Farmall F-40 project in current issue of Harvester Highlights. This was a tractor bigger than the F-30 that IH thought of bringing to market. They built a prototype in 1930 before abandoning it.

This would have been stepping stone to the Farmall "R" that we have talked about in early days of Forum.The "R" would have been a Farmall M design only bigger with the W-9 engine and a heavier rear end and components.This would have evolved into a Super-R, Super-RTA, Farmall 500, 550, Farmall 660, and eventually the Farmall 906.

Of course these ideas for a big Farmall existed only in our mind and discussions but until reading of the F-40 idea it is interesting to realize it was in the companys mind and fun to speculate the outcome if it had been introduced.

We came up with the "R" desingnation this way Farmall A,B,C (d-e-f-g) H (i-j-k-l) M (n-o-p-q) R (s-t-u-v) W-4, W-6,W-9. 4 letters between each model thus the Model-R following the Farmall-M.

It is easy to look back and speculate that this could have really put IH in a dominate postion with a big row crop tractor long before the other companys.The experience with higher horsepower tractors and effects on rear ends may have also averted the 4-560 problem.

Now this tractor would not have been big seller early on in SW Ohio but bet it would have become popular in Midwest, South and Southwest.

A proven Farmall-RD may have caused the introduction of the John Deere R Diesel to be an insignificant event.

There may have been a bigger market than everyone thought for the R as I personally remember some farmer built tandem hook-ups of tractors for more power as early as the 1940's.

I can just picture a Super-RTA Diesel pulling 5-14's and playing with a 2M-HD MOUNTED PICKER.

A Farmall 660 truly being the world's largest row crop tractor.

The 906, 1066 power in 1964.

And with all this additional success and profits an early introduction of a superior Cab with creature comforts and quietness that would be a first in the industry. The Operator-gard Cab.

So it almost happened. We can only speculate the results.May have changed history?
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 01:03 AM

That is what the problem was with IH, JD, and the others. What they thought would be too big was too small in some areas like were I farm (Montana).


What killed IH around here was the JD R through 830 series and later on the JD 5020. But they did sell alot of TD 14/18 series crawlers in the 50s. The only thing that saved IH was the 4100.

These kind of "what if" stories are interesting. The JD 3010/4010 were supposed to come out in 1958 but JD had to push the intro back 2 years. Just think much faster IH could have fallen behind with the intro of the JD 4010 during the 560 crisis.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 01:11 AM

What killed IH around here was the JD R through 830 series and later on the JD 5020. But they did sell alot of TD 14/18 series crawlers in the 50s.  .

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Good point! Even in our area we had some big farms using crawlers just to get more power. But they wanted rubber tires so these units could be moved on the road. We had a farmer near Troy who used all IH along with some D-2 and D-4 Cats. He farmed around 2000 acres which was huge in the late 40's and early 50's. He jumped on a new new John Deere R and within a few short years was farming with all John Deere equipment.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 01:21 AM

I am old enough to remember when it was thought the 806 was almost too big for our area. And for sure upon hearing of the coming 1206 I even agreed that we would only see those in our area in pictures.

A few short years later everyone had big tractors,

My question is what changed? A younger group of farmers. Changing farming practices. The need to become more productive?

Probably a combination of the above?
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 10:31 AM

Bill,

Very good perspective on the article. When I read it I couldn't help but think, If only Harry Lee were a little younger. Most people know Harry as the owner of the Garrett Twin Drive 400 Diesel, and his 2 and 3 engined F series tractors. Harry has also reproduced a prototype Farmall Regular, and some others. Were harry younger with photo's in hand and his knack he would no doubt re create a F40 for us to enjoy. No it would not be original but neither is a SHTA, and still fun to look at and marvel.
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Posted 21 February 2006 - 12:29 PM

Bill,

Very good perspective on the article. When I read it I couldn't help but think, If only Harry Lee were a little younger. Most people know Harry as the owner of the Garrett Twin Drive 400 Diesel, and his 2 and 3 engined F series tractors. Hary has also reproduced a prototype Farmall Regular, and some others. Were harry younger with photo's in hand and his knack he would no doubt re create a F40 for us to enjoy. No it would not be original but neither is a SHTA, and still fun to look at and marvel.

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Good Pat, According to article the prototype F-40 was built from 15-30 parts. So one of those and an F-30 and Harry could do it.There is a picture in Harvester Happenings so at least one was built. Probably scrapped. If not and it was still in good shape I bet someone would give big bucks for it.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 12:41 PM

Would the Farmall R model diesel have the RD pump????? :lol: :lol:
I'm curious to know......are not you??!!

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 12:57 PM

I am old enough to remember when it was thought the 806 was almost too big for our area. And for sure upon hearing of the coming 1206 I even agreed that we would only see those in our area in pictures.

A few short years later everyone had big tractors,

My question is what changed? A younger group of farmers. Changing farming practices. The need to become more productive?

Probably a combination of the above?

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I can remember back in 1967 when I was still in HS we were looking to buy a new tractor. My uncle was looking at a 656 & a 4020, I was pushing for an 806 or at least a 706. Uncle said the 806 was too big, that we didn't have any fields that we could turn it around in :lol: . He ended up buying the 656 & a used 4x14 540 plow which to this day I have thought was a mistake. He could have bought a 4020D & a new 5X14 JD plow for less money & had a lot more tractor. That 656 was a gutless wonder, our 450 would pull circles around it. :(

When ever I think of that deal I have to chuckle. I can still remember we were in the IH dealer's show room when the JD dealer walked in to get some parts. My uncle hit him up right there in the IH dealer's showroom for a price on the 4020. :lol: :lol:

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 02:12 PM



What killed IH around here was the JD R through 830 series and later on the JD 5020.   But they did sell alot of TD 14/18 series crawlers in the 50s.  .

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Good point! Even in our area we had some big farms using crawlers just to get more power. But they wanted rubber tires so these units could be moved on the road. We had a farmer near Troy who used all IH along with some D-2 and D-4 Cats. He farmed around 2000 acres which was huge in the late 40's and early 50's. He jumped on a new new John Deere R and within a few short years was farming with all John Deere equipment.

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Crawlers were very popular around here. The neighbors farmed with a Cat D7 and TD 18A up till the 70s when they bought a JD 6030. At one time during the 50s we farmed with a TD 14A, WD-9, and JD R. Then the WD-9 got traded for a IH 650, then a JD 830 and finally a JD 4020. The R was traded for a JD 5010 which later turned into a JD 5020. We kept the TD 14A for dirt moving and still use it occasionally.

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Posted 21 February 2006 - 06:29 PM

That would have been quite the tractor! Like Bill said, if a Farmall "RD" wouldhave been successful, it would have made the John Deere "R" rather insignificant, but to add to that, the Oliver 990 & 995 Lugmatics, along w/ the larger MM's, probably would not have had the success that they did have.

Just think, we might all be big fans of a red w/ white fendered "1406" instead!
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