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#1 1206SWMO

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 06:47 PM

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Here is my Dads old 1949 123 IH SP combine that he used from 1959-62.It had alot of modifications done to it.The original dual drivers had been replaced by single 15x26 tires,the slide dump grain bin had been lowered and an unloading auger was added,and the original tricycle rear had been replaced by a 9N Ford front end.This picture must have been taken in around 1960.Thats Dad,me,and my brother on it.

All the weight was on the left side of the combine.In mud the left wheel would never spin.I never saw it get stuck bad enough to where our 8N Ford couldnt pull it out.

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Nicely restored 123 IH over in England.It looks like its all original.

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A scan of some original 123 sales literature.

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A scan of the 122 pull type combine literature..


Its easy to see why the custom harvesters preffered the Massey combines over the IH since they were so much lower and easier to haul.


Exactly when was the 123 IH SP combine introduced?

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 07:23 PM

123SP0001.jpg

Here is my Dads old 1949 123 IH SP combine that he used from 1959-62.It had alot of modifications done to it.The original dual drivers  had been replaced by single 15x26 tires,slide grain bin had been lowered and unloading auger added,and the original tricycle rear had been replaced by a 9N Ford front end.This picture must have been taken in around 1960.Thats Dad,me,and my brother on it.

All the weight was on the left side of the combine.In mud the left wheel would never spin.I never saw it get stuck bad enough to where our 8N Ford couldnt  pull it out.

123IHcombine.jpg

Nicely restored 123 IH over in England.It looks like its all original.

123SPCombine.JPG

A scan of some original 123 sales literature.

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A scan of the 122 pull type combine literature..


Its easy to see why the custom harvesters preffered the Massey combines over the IH since they were so much lower and easier to haul.


Exactly when was the 123 IH SP combine introduced?

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According to C H Wendel's book, "150 Years of International Harvester," the 123-SP appeared in 1942, with a production run until 1948. IH built over 11,000. "Weighing approximately 7,200 lbs, the 123-SP featured a 12 foot cutter bar and hydraulic platform control." On the next page Wendel writes, "During 1948 and 1949, Harvester produced the No, 125-SP combine, replacing the earlier No. 123-SP. During its two years of production, over 7,000 machines were built." Our neighbor bought a new 141-SP in about 1955 (they were built from 1954 to 1957). SD Paul and I were teenagers at the time. We rode along with him on his new combine. We were green (!!) with jealousy. Then in 1957 our dad bought a new 140, which we pulled with our 1956 400 LPG. With the 400, we probably had more power than he did with his 6 cylinder engine. I don't really know. The 141 was the first IH SP to use a corn head, according to Wendel.
Thanks for the great picture and for the advertising brochures.
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Posted 27 November 2005 - 07:31 PM

123SP0001.jpg

Here is my Dads old 1949 123 IH SP combine that he used from 1959-62.It had alot of modifications done to it.The original dual drivers  had been replaced by single 15x26 tires,slide grain bin had been lowered and unloading auger added,and the original tricycle rear had been replaced by a 9N Ford front end.This picture must have been taken in around 1960.Thats Dad,me,and my brother on it.

All the weight was on the left side of the combine.In mud the left wheel would never spin.I never saw it get stuck bad enough to where our 8N Ford couldnt  pull it out.

123IHcombine.jpg

Nicely restored 123 IH over in England.It looks like its all original.

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A scan of some original 123 sales literature.

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A scan of the 122 pull type combine literature..

Blaine,
Also according to Wendel's book:  "Early models of the 123-SP mounted the twin steering wheels directly behind the left-hand drive wheel.  This was later modified, using an oscillating arch-type axle."  A photo in the book shows the dual drive wheels and the tricycle rear end.  They really had to get that grain tank high in the air to make the wheat slide out into a truck or wagon,  didn't they?  Your dad's machine with the lowered tank and unloading auger was a huge improvement.


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Posted 27 November 2005 - 07:52 PM

HMR,
Thanks for the info.It appears Dads 123 wasnt a 1949 model like the JD dealer told him when he bought it.I dont have the serial number for it.

In the fall of 1962 Dad bought a 1959 model 72 Massey combine so sold the 123 to a neighbor whom used it into the early 70's.It then ended up in a junk yard and is long gone.

A neighbor hauled a nice 123 up here from Texas in the late 1960's and never used it.It sat in a shed for years and finally disappeared.I need to find out what happened to it.

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 08:40 PM

My Dad bought a new 123 SP. in 1944, high tank, narrow rear wheels, flat head green diamond engine, dual 9 x 24 wheels on both sides, it also had a precleaner on top of the grain tank to clean weedseeds out of the grain. Really a high looking outfit. In 1948 we bought a new 125 Sp. mainly to get the low tank and the wide steering axle. next came the 125 SPV which was mostly driven with veebelts, we never had one of these's. Then in 1952 we got a 127, it had the SD 240 valve in head engine, quite more power than the old GD. engine, large tractor tires, and wide steering axle. Then came the 141 SP. which was just a dressed up 127, had one of these. then went to the 403 SP. Still have it but haven't used it for a few years.

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 04:17 PM

A lot of good information and great pictures.

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 07:19 AM

My Dad bought a new 123 SP. in 1944, high tank, narrow rear wheels, flat head green diamond engine, dual 9 x 24 wheels on both sides, it also had a precleaner on top of the grain tank to clean weedseeds out of the grain. Really a high looking outfit. In 1948 we bought a new 125 Sp. mainly to get the low tank and the wide steering axle. next came the 125 SPV which was mostly driven with veebelts, we never had one of these's. Then in 1952 we got a 127, it had the SD 240 valve in head engine, quite more power than the old GD. engine, large tractor tires, and wide steering axle. Then came the 141 SP. which was just a dressed up 127, had one of these. then went to the 403 SP. Still have it but haven't used it for a few years.

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First SP combine my dad bought was a 123 SP. Equiped same as the one above. That narrow rear end had "M" parts in it I"m sure. Remember that the hydraulic lift had a like No. 80 speed chain at the end of a cylinder rigged over a half-moon affair. Hit a big bump one day and the chain broke. What a mess!! In my opinion this was not much of a combine as evidenced by all the changes and different models that cme from Harvestor. The JD 55 was out at the time and was a much better machine. Dad tryed to get one but none available in the post-war times. Had the chance at the Lowell, In. Labor Day Celebration but Mother said "No" Mother did the wrong thing!!! Later he bought the 123 SP.

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:44 PM

The McCormick Deering 123 SP was introduced in 1942 and was built into 1948, whereas the John Deere 55 was not introduced untill 1946. The 55 was therefore more advanced at the time. The 125 SP introduced in 1948 was at least as advanced as the 55 and the 127 SP that followed it was even more so.

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My Dad bought a new 123 SP. in 1944, high tank, narrow rear wheels, flat head green diamond engine, dual 9 x 24 wheels on both sides, it also had a precleaner on top of the grain tank to clean weedseeds out of the grain. Really a high looking outfit. In 1948 we bought a new 125 Sp. mainly to get the low tank and the wide steering axle. next came the 125 SPV which was mostly driven with veebelts, we never had one of these's. Then in 1952 we got a 127, it had the SD 240 valve in head engine, quite more power than the old GD. engine, large tractor tires, and wide steering axle. Then came the 141 SP. which was just a dressed up 127, had one of these. then went to the 403 SP. Still have it but haven't used it for a few years.

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First SP combine my dad bought was a 123 SP. Equiped same as the one above. That narrow rear end had "M" parts in it I"m sure. Remember that the hydraulic lift had a like No. 80 speed chain at the end of a cylinder rigged over a half-moon affair. Hit a big bump one day and the chain broke. What a mess!! In my opinion this was not much of a combine as evidenced by all the changes and different models that cme from Harvestor. The JD 55 was out at the time and was a much better machine. Dad tryed to get one but none available in the post-war times. Had the chance at the Lowell, In. Labor Day Celebration but Mother said "No" Mother did the wrong thing!!! Later he bought the 123 SP.

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