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[59flatbedford]

Hey all I'm new hear but I'm doing some research into international diesel engines for a swap into a 64 ford f250 4x4. Not sure if I'll ever actually do it or not but it's fun to think about anyway. Anyway I'm not real in the know with the international engines. So far the most logical choice would be the IDI V8s but I would perfer something a little more classic like a six cylinder. I have read about a few d360 swaps. Seems like this is a very stout awesome engine but I'm not sure if it would fit. I can't seem to get an accurate answer on how much one weighs and the physical size of the 360. Can anybody give me real world values. Also I have read about the 282 and 301 and while they don't seem to be a particularly powerful engine or strong design but it's an option. Would appreciate weight, size, and power capabilities for these since I can't find anything on them. Personally I wouldn't mind a four cylinder but the only IH I have heard of is the 188 and I don't think there is anyway it could ever make enough power to be useful. Anyway just looking for ideas from those in the know.

[Eason]

You could go with a 239 turbo diesel out of a bulldozer. I'd try and find a 6.9 with a 4 speed out of a 83 to 87 F-250. You could use one out of a 2wd ecause I believe your truck has a divorced transfer case. The diesel out of the Ford truck might even bolt to your motor mounts. Go to www.oilburners.com and ask there. Eason

[59flatbedford]

You have any more info on the four cylinder you mentioned. I googled it and came up with a 3.9l 50 horsepower engine. That's the same size as the 4bt cummins. I'm assuming this would be an older engine so probably not as much power potential but what kind of torque could be made?? I'm not looking at building a 2000 horse pulling truck but i don't need to spend money and lose power.

[bocephus1991]

A 6.9 or 7.3 would be cool,but you may have to modify the frame because the frame is narrower on the older trucks than the ones that the diesels were put in. I remember dad buying an 83 ford diesel and the 5th wheel plate from his 75 ford was to small to fit.
a 282 would be cool to do,I always wanted to try a 358,don't know about the length of it though,if it would fit.

[Dr. EVIL]

The 6.9 IDI or 7.3 IDI would probably be easiest & cheapest. The little 239 turbo-diesel EASON mentions is a Nuess (Germany) diesel, a 4-cyl version of the 358 CID engine. Fitting them up to a transmission could be difficult, IH used the 358 in trucks in Australia but never in the US. The 360 Melrose engine was used in a lot of lighter medium duty trucks so finding an engine & transmission would be simpler. And IH made a DTI-360 that was around 200 HP in truck trim. Be a nice engine for your old Ford.

Then there's always the DT-466.... the small block Chevy of 6-cyl diesel engines.

[59flatbedford]

I have been thinking about it extensivly and right now the 6.9 is really the only one that makes sense from a practical aspect. ive looked into the 360 used in trucks and it sounds like an awesome motor but it also sound heavy and long and im somewhat limited on length. I figure i could put a 40in long engine in with out to much trouble but it turns into a lot work after that. I looked into the 358 and 301 but not sure how easy one would be to hook up with a transmission. Also this is just a 3/4 ton so im not real excited about throwing 1500lbs of iron in the front of it to have similar power as my 600lb gasser. Maybe ill have to stick with the 6.9 and buy an old tractor and fix it up to get my 6 cylinder.

[dubl_t]

Hey '59FBF,
just checking in to see what you did or found out.
My son's got a '70 F100 4x with the D301, 4speed, stock axles (not sure on ratio), and 36" tires. 55-60 mph top speed and 20 mpgs.
The engine came out of a '67 715 Combine but I'm pretty sure IH put the D301 in medium duty trucks in the early '60's that had more power and a higher red-line.

yea i know, don't knock the wiring or "air filter", been meaning on changing those.

[Scott!]

5.9 Cummins. Ok...fire way, but it would be an easy swap and a proven power plant.

[pullinfarmer]

Got anymore picts?

[Harold H]

IH D-301 would be the easiest swap and a good fit. It was an optional engine in the IH light trucks and medium trucks in late 60's and early 70's. Also used on combines so should not be too hard to find. D-282 is also same block with sleves and is even easier to find.

Harold H